One Arsene Wenger...

[Niall_Quinn]

There's the Christian way of living and the Christian church, two different things. The Christian church is an easy way to avoid living a Christian life, it hires mortals to dole out perks (or the promises of perks) for the heavily discounted price of conformity. A Christian life would be tough in the modern age. For example, there's no way you can be a genuine Christian and vote or pay tax. You can't work for the government. You can't have a bank account. It's a long list. I can't imagine there are many Christians.

[Power n Glory]

What? Why can't you vote or pay taxes? Or have a bank account?

Why the heck is this being discussed?

[Niall_Quinn]

What? Why can't you vote or pay taxes? Or have a bank account?

Why the heck is this being discussed?

Don't know. I didn't start it.

Of course a Christian can't vote or pay taxes. Though shall not kill, thou shall not covet, etc, etc.

[Xhaka Can’t]

What? Why can't you vote or pay taxes? Or have a bank account?

Why the heck is this being discussed?

It's something new - let it roll.

[Niall_Quinn]

It's something new - let it roll.

And going to mass is more thrilling than watching Arsenal. And less predictable. And the crowd is noisier.

[Xhaka Can’t]

And going to mass is more thrilling than watching Arsenal. And less predictable. And the crowd is noisier.

The programmes are free too.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Excellent analysis from neville and carragher.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFUPw4J2T3A

If you're still sticking up for wenger you're a clueless idiot.

[fakeyank]

Excellent analysis from neville and carragher.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFUPw4J2T3A

If you're still sticking up for wenger you're a clueless idiot.

What a brilliant analysis. The board are a bunch of spineless assholes if they cant see what a terrible manager Wenger has become. He is like cancer to the club.

[mr_brighterside]

There's the Christian way of living and the Christian church, two different things. The Christian church is an easy way to avoid living a Christian life, it hires mortals to dole out perks (or the promises of perks) for the heavily discounted price of conformity. A Christian life would be tough in the modern age. For example, there's no way you can be a genuine Christian and vote or pay tax. You can't work for the government. You can't have a bank account. It's a long list. I can't imagine there are many Christians.

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In the new testament (e.g. Romans) Christians are told to submit to governing authorities and Jesus himself said to pay tax. Voting is part of partaking in the governing structures of the day, as unpalatable as most parties are today.

Also the division between church and Christian isn't one the Bible allows, see Hebrews for example. There are religious organisations that call themselves churches but rely on their works rather than Christ's work for their eternal hope, these are not churches and eternity will show it to be so.

[Niall_Quinn]

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In the new testament (e.g. Romans) Christians are told to submit to governing authorities and Jesus himself said to pay tax. Voting is part of partaking in the governing structures of the day, as unpalatable as most parties are today.

Also the division between church and Christian isn't one the Bible allows, see Hebrews for example. There are religious organisations that call themselves churches but rely on their works rather than Christ's work for their eternal hope, these are not churches and eternity will show it to be so.

The Bible advocates all sorts of behaviour, fair and foul. The Church's version of Jesus probably bears no resemblance to the man. Whichever man you decide to pick, as there were many Jesus figures around that time and before. The Jesus of the New Testament was plainly a revolutionary, in an earthly as well as spiritual sense. Whether he wanted to be worshipped through the ages is open to debate. This is why I distinguish between the Christianity of the Church (the façade and let's face it, nothing more than a development of the Sun 'son' worship religions that went before) and what surely is the principle and intent that underlies Christianity as a way of life. I think we can all agree that refraining from murder, robbery, and so on is the ultimate ideal. Love everyone as you would love yourself. This is a simple but powerfully all-encompassing directive and really speaking no other rules are required as they are all implied. The principle of government and taxation is not the problem. But you can't in all conscience contribute to a modern day government and it's evil economic policies, social policies and warmongering and then claim to follow the doctrine of love. It's entirely contradictory. What I'm really saying is the modern Christian is a coward.