January Transfer Speculation and Shit

[Globalgunner]

In hindsight Wenger should have gone years ago, but the issue is who should replace him not whether we want him here

Klopp replaced Lewandowski in the summer, not really worked out for him so far

I just find it funny that the people who are the most vociferously Anti-Wenger are the ones who want to bring in a younger version of him.

Me personally, at the start of the season I could begrudgingly accept Wenger being here till 2017 now it's just a prospect I don't think I can stomach. But I'd want the board to do its job and make a thorough analysis of want kind of club they want Arsenal to be post L'Ouisseau and who is best suited to presiding over it

Everything you said above is your opinion, not a matter of fact. Klopp is neither dogmatic or obsessed with himself like Wenger is. He has won two league titles in a row which Wenger hasn't done. He has lost some fantastic players, most of whom are irreplaceable, so you can hardly blame him for that. How many players as good as Lewandowski can you name that are available. Klopp may not be the best, nor the only option out there, but I would take him in a heartbeat over the old busted flush we now have.

But I agree we need to conduct a search for a replacement diligently. We will get 4th, Im pretty sure. Its a crap league and we usually get there in the end.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

In hindsight Wenger should have gone years ago, but the issue is who should replace him not whether we want him here

Klopp replaced Lewandowski in the summer, not really worked out for him so far

I just find it funny that the people who are the most vociferously Anti-Wenger are the ones who want to bring in a younger version of him.

Me personally, at the start of the season I could begrudgingly accept Wenger being here till 2017 now it's just a prospect I don't think I can stomach. But I'd want the board to do its job and make a thorough analysis of want kind of club they want Arsenal to be post L'Ouisseau and who is best suited to presiding over it

We want to bring in the pre-2005 version of wenger. Don't see nothing wrong with that.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Everything you said above is your opinion, not a matter of fact. Klopp is neither dogmatic or obsessed with himself like Wenger is. He has won two league titles in a row which Wenger hasn't done. He has lost some fantastic players, most of whom are irreplaceable, so you can hardly blame him for that. How many players as good as Lewandowski can you name that are available. Klopp may not be the best, nor the only option out there, but I would take him in a heartbeat over the old busted flush we now have.


But I agree we need to conduct a search for a replacement diligently. We will get 4th, Im pretty sure. Its a crap league and we usually get there in the end.

Of course it's an opinion, but its an opinion informed by how Dortmund play and how well it is serving them at the moment.

Have you seen any interviews with Klopp, whilst he's definitely charismatic and entertaining he's also massively egocentric.

Defenders of Wenger make the "lost irreplaceable players" argument for him, it doesn't wash for Wenger and it shouldn't for Klopp either. Klopp is much less prone to dither in the transfer market than Wenger, but that seems to be the only plus point.

Above all else I want a manager who is tactically flexible and will sort out the defence; Borussia Dortmund play the same way no matter who they are up against and in the past it served them well because of the quality of their attack, with Gotze and Lewandowski gone they have lost that spear head and if you look statistically their chances to conversion rate in the Bundesliga is very poor.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

We want to bring in the pre-2005 version of wenger. Don't see nothing wrong with that.

You mean you don't see anything wrong with that?

What you fail to understand is that Wenger hasn't depreciated as a manager since 2005, the game has moved on and left him behind and he's not ever tried to catch up. So in 2014, another Arsene Wenger is not what we need.

[Xhaka Can’t]

In hindsight Wenger should have gone years ago, but the issue is who should replace him not whether we want him here

Klopp replaced Lewandowski in the summer, not really worked out for him so far

I just find it funny that the people who are the most vociferously Anti-Wenger are the ones who want to bring in a younger version of him.

Me personally, at the start of the season I could begrudgingly accept Wenger being here till 2017 now it's just a prospect I don't think I can stomach. But I'd want the board to do its job and make a thorough analysis of want kind of club they want Arsenal to be post L'Ouisseau and who is best suited to presiding over it

To be fair, a younger version of Wenger won things and provided us the most blindingly exciting football I've ever seen.

It was a fucking privilege watching us then.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

My point being if we were able to construct a time machine and bring 1998 Arsene Wenger to 2014, he'd be just as fucking clueless as his current haggard sleeping bag wearing self.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

The football of that style will work ephemerally if you have the right players, but eventually without an alternative plan you are going to be found out

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

My point being if we were able to construct a time machine and bring 1998 Arsene Wenger to 2014, he'd be just as fucking clueless as his current haggard sleeping bag wearing self.

No he wouldn't.

He'd buy strong, powerful players instead of small, feeble players. He'd play counter-attacking football instead of slow, tippy tappy shit. He'd invest in experienced players (who remembers picking up the paper and hearing that we'd signed world cup winner gilberto silva, what a masterstroke that was). He also wasn't as stubborn as he is now.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

I don't think Dortmund can point to losing players too much. It is a reason for them not to win the league but not a reason for them to be planted at the bottom of their league. If the prem is poor what is the Bundesliga?

Papiss Cisse (who in fairness is a decent if erratic player) was second highest top scorer when he was in the Bundesliga so Dortmund shouldn't need Messi to be in second place there. They still have Mikirhytan(sp) Reus, Aubemeyang(sp), Kagawa, Gundogan......a decent set of players and although Reus has just got injured we've been no better with injuries with Ozil and co....and just like them, we've mostly been shedding our best players for years until we finally run out.

I'd happily throw the farm at getting Hummels out of there. Even if it meant playing him at DCM.

[Injury Time]

Anyone see any transfer speculation in this thread