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    Quote Originally Posted by Toronto Gooner View Post
    I suppose my answer would be that it is too simple to fully address the problem. This so-called cure-all solution of buying PL experience (e.g. British) harkens back to a time when that truly made a difference.

    As an example, here are the nationalities of the starting players in the three teams above Arsenal, for the final game of the season.

    Man U: 2 Brasil; 1 England; Northern Ireland; Scotland; Netherlands; Korea; Portugal; Bulgaria; France; Serbia
    Chelsea: 3 England; 2 France; 1 Czech Republic; Brasil; Nigeria; Serbia; Spain; Ghana
    Man City: 4 England; 2 Argentina; Belgium; 1 Netherlands; Spain; Ivory Coast

    So out of 33 players, there were only 8 English players, and only 10 British players.
    I said players with PL experience, not necessarily British but better if they were. Terry, Lampard, Scholes, Giggs, love 'em or hate 'em the Nevilles, these were the players on which the culture of the most successful teams in recent years were built. It's illustrative that as the careers of these players start to wind down so does the quality of their respective teams. Maybe a coincidence or maybe a vital ingredient has been lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    I said players with PL experience, not necessarily British but better if they were. Terry, Lampard, Scholes, Giggs, love 'em or hate 'em the Nevilles, these were the players on which the culture of the most successful teams in recent years were built. It's illustrative that as the careers of these players start to wind down so does the quality of their respective teams. Maybe a coincidence or maybe a vital ingredient has been lost.
    I was extrapolating your comment. The fact of the matter is that 23 of the 33 starting players did not have "PL" experience when they started in England; yet many of them have made major contributions to the success of their respective teams. Was Hernandez a good buy for Man U even though he did not have PL experience? What about Yaya Toure?
    While all answers are responses, not all responses are answers.

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    The bottom line is that in addition to cutting out some of the fat in our team, we need to add a mentality changing player or two - nationality and position is less important. I think PL experience is also secondary but what is essential is someone who can play up tempo, aggresive football and has an attitude which is all about winning. Gattuso would be an example of a player like that although he's obviously too old and Italian football isn't known for being particularly up tempo. But that's the attitude we need - slightly mental but all about winning. Attitude wise, losing Flamini was maybe more impactful on this team than we realise. Whether it's a striker who is relentless in attacking the goal and putting defenses under pressure, or a midfielder who dominates and threatens the middle of the pitch or a defender who refuses to allow attackers to be successful, what we need is that mentality. There's too much doubt and petulance in this squad and that's why we suck down the stretch.

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    Lille president says Hazard will not be sold

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ach View Post
    Lille president says Hazard will not be sold
    Wenger will probably still be confident he can seal a deal, a la Baptista several years ago when he adamantly said he wasn't moving as he wanted his Spanish passport but Wenger insisted a deal was still on the cards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toronto Gooner View Post
    I was extrapolating your comment. The fact of the matter is that 23 of the 33 starting players did not have "PL" experience when they started in England; yet many of them have made major contributions to the success of their respective teams. Was Hernandez a good buy for Man U even though he did not have PL experience? What about Yaya Toure?
    I'm not dealing in absolutes, there is no subtlety in argument when only extremes are examined. Therefore it is quite obviously possible for a foreign player to be effective in the PL, this much is self evident from the many foreign players doing rather well in the league. However, I maintain both Utd and Chelsea are weaker teams now their British contingent is reduced and no longer as influential. Obviously our own team is a parody of what went before when we had a solid British back five. Since them we've brought in foreigner after foreigner, some have been assets but most liabilities. The character of the club has changed in the process and is now considerably weaker (both physically and mentally) than ever before. Do I like the British style of football? No. Do I accept we play in the British league and the style won't be changing any time soon? Yes. Do I think we'll do better with good, solid PL experience at the heart of the team? We'd have to try it to find out. What we know for certain is that Wenger's shopping trips abroad have turned us into a joke team. So letting him just carry on doing it seems a waste of time and money.
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    Paul Scholes has tallied 33 Premier League assists during his brilliant career over 17 years. Fabregas has 80 assists over 7 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Realist View Post
    Paul Scholes has tallied 33 Premier League assists during his brilliant career over 17 years. Fabregas has 80 assists over 7 years.
    Difference between England and Spains playmaker abilitys probably

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    Bendtner in line for £12m Arsenal exit - agent
    Published 23:01 31/05/11 By John Cross

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    Nicklas Bendtner will “easily” fetch around £12million following strong interest from other cubs, claims the out-of-favour Arsenal striker's father and agent Thomas.

    The Gunners are being “very realistic” on the price, he claims, and Bayern Munich are expected to make an offer.

    “As an agent for Nicklas, I am not told the specific price that Arsenal want. Clubs will sort that out between each other," said Thomas.

    “Around £12m sounds very realistic. He has been higher, but the price goes down when he is not playing enough.


    “Nicklas has all the qualities to live up to that sort of money, and we can easily find him a club which wants to pay that amount of money.”

    Sevilla, meanwhile, are set to follow up their interest in unhappy Arsenal midfielder Denilson with an £8m bid.



    Read more: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news...#ixzz1NyTkPcby

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKBapologist View Post
    If you believe the mirror...
    we can easily find him a club which wants to pay that amount of money.”

    Sevilla, meanwhile, are set to follow up their interest in unhappy Arsenal midfielder Denilson with an £8m bid.


    £20m for Dennis Bendtner and Denilson

    Wenger

    Project Youth .

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