Ozil - Do we need him?

[mastermind84]

Should we create this thread for Alexis as well? He was terrible yesterday.


He shouldn't be the 3rd midfielder tho. Ozil is a forward.

[Power n Glory]

Only problem is, the numbers tell us he's one of the hardest working players in the squad.

Oh so maybe Wenger's stat machine is right.

I didn't say anything about the amount of ground he covers. I'm talking specifically about the amount of times he attempts to dribble past an opponent in each match. He chooses to pass despite having the ability to open play up with his dribbling. Blame it on Wenger if you wish, but it doesn't add up because we see how often Alexis will attempt to take on his man even when passing would be a better option.

[Power n Glory]

Should we create this thread for Alexis as well? He was terrible yesterday.


He shouldn't be the 3rd midfielder tho. Ozil is a forward.

Go ahead.

[mastermind84]

Only problem is, the numbers tell us he's one of the hardest working players in the squad.

Why respond to someone who believes in alternative facts?

[Power n Glory]

Why respond to someone who believes in alternative facts?

This isn't a debate about how much ground he covers or general defensive work. It's a question of why he doesn't attempt to take on more players when he's probably one of the most gifted at dribbling in the squad.

[Niall_Quinn]

This isn't a debate about how much ground he covers or general defensive work. It's a question of why he doesn't attempt to take on more players when he's probably one of the most gifted at dribbling in the squad.

Erm no. You said he's stealing a living. Prior to that you picked option 2, he's lazy. So it has a great deal to do with how much effort the player puts in. Whether that effort is effective, that's another matter. But anyone who thinks Ozil is stealing a living (beyond the obvious fact ALL PL players are stealing a living in comparative terms) isn't paying attention to the numbers.

[Power n Glory]

Erm no. You said he's stealing a living. Prior to that you picked option 2, he's lazy. So it has a great deal to do with how much effort the player puts in. Whether that effort is effective, that's another matter. But anyone who thinks Ozil is stealing a living (beyond the obvious fact ALL PL players are stealing a living in comparative terms) isn't paying attention to the numbers.

No, in context of what we are talking. Effort in regards to making use of all of his attributes. Precisely his ability to dribble and you're purposely deflecting. It's funny how you make fun of Wenger when he relies on stats and now doing the exact same.

[Niall_Quinn]

No, in context of what we are talking. Effort in regards to making use of all of his attributes. Precisely his ability to dribble and you're purposely deflecting. It's funny how you make fun of Wenger when he relies on stats and now doing the exact same.

No I'm not deflecting anything. You are reflecting.

I proposed 2 options and you picked the one that stated Ozil was lazy. You made no doubt about your intent by adding the stealing a living qualifier. My first option was Wenger has fucked Ozil's game up but you didn't go for that one. That's the one that might have dealt with dribbling and other attributes. Instead you decided it's down to him being lazy. I said the numbers don't show that. You then accused me of being like Wenger. That's how this has gone down. The record is right there. Deflecting nothing.

[Power n Glory]

No I'm not deflecting anything. You are reflecting.

I proposed 2 options and you picked the one that stated Ozil was lazy. You made no doubt about your intent by adding the stealing a living qualifier. My first option was Wenger has fucked Ozil's game up but you didn't go for that one. That's the one that might have dealt with dribbling and other attributes. Instead you decided it's down to him being lazy. I said the numbers don't show that. You then accused me of being like Wenger. That's how this has gone down. The record is right there. Deflecting nothing.

Which brings us back to the question of why Sanchez and Ox dribble and Wenger hasn't altered their game? The contradiction in your theory is either Wenger gives the players too much freedom or he complete restricts them. Which is it?

[Niall_Quinn]

Which brings us back to the question of why Sanchez and Ox dribble and Wenger hasn't altered their game? The contradiction in your theory is either Wenger gives the players too much freedom or he complete restricts them. Which is it?

Not quite sure where all this dribbling business has come from. But are we now saying we don't need Ozil because he doesn't dribble enough? I'm just trying to keep track of your argument. One minute we hear Ozil doesn't turn up. Then we hear he's stealing a living. Now the problem is he doesn't dribble. Which is fine, because if that's the case I'm quickly going to say absolutely no, we shouldn't get rid of Ozil because he's not dribbling the ball enough. He does plenty of other things that we can't afford to be without right now, such as actually being able to keep possession of a football which is a rare commodity in the squad right now.

As for Wenger and Alexis' and Ox's games, well Wenger has change them of course. Alexis had until recently been moved to the striker role, and should still be there, and Ox had recently been moved into a central role. These things have worked, which makes you wonder why Wenger dumped Alexis for Giroud and why Ramsey ever got the nod over Ox. Probably because Wenger is incompetent. And this remains my argument. Option 1. Wenger is a moron. His shitty ideas on how we should play means we aren't getting the best out of any of the players.

I'm sticking with that too because it's what all the evidence points to.