There will be plenty of these rumours and all of them will be false. The focus of the club between now and the end of the season will be to keep Wenger in his job. Beating up on non-league opponents, stringing a few unconvincing wins in the PL, maybe one isolated decent performance in a bigger game, a ton of bogus transfer rumours, and this incredibly fortunate break in the schedule so the tension can ease off. It will all go in Wenger's favour.
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There's about 4 fans (Ty and that ginger guy and 2 people on here) who want him to stay, everyone else wants him gone, a good proportion of those really don't like the guy much (if he accepted responsibility and apologised from time to time he might get more respect), water off a ducks back for him though, he doesn't care, just seems to care about being able to do whatever he wants with his plaything (4th place), proving everyone wrong despite not proving them wrong every season and his 8 million a year.
Where's the evidence this guy cares, if he cared he'd let someone else have a go so that we can improve, no point talking about transfers, he'll probably stay in charge and it won't matter who we do or don't get, what we know is it won't make a difference and they won't be the right players.
Who are the two on here? And I presume that "alternative fact" about the 4 fans is based on your extensive research and polling of Arsenal fans?Originally Posted by Özim
Again, that's based on your polling of a large sample of Arsenal fans, is it? Definitely not based on your own somewhat bizarre and personal hatred of him.a good proportion of those really don't like the guy much
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Well no, have a look at the Wenger referendum thread, my mistake seems to be 6 now as for some odd reason 4 people have decided they'd like the loser to stay.Who are the two on here? And I presume that "alternative fact" about the 4 fans is based on your extensive research and polling of Arsenal fans?
Again, that's based on your polling of a large sample of Arsenal fans, is it? Definitely not based on your own somewhat bizarre and personal hatred of him.
Not it's based on what we're seeing, people coming out and saying they're tired of his nonsense and that's he's runined his legacy, there's plenty around, I didn't make anything up.
I know you like to live in a little world where Wenger wants to win at all cost and isn't just happy to come 4th (3rd/2nd whatever you want to call it) but the facts are there, it's been 12 odd years now and that's all his achieved qualifying for the CL and he's harped on about how fans should be happy with this and how it's a great achievement and how he's done it for 20 million years and year on year out he does the same and never seems overly bothered, if he was he'd actually do something about it rather than sit there every summer doing precious little and stick to a failed formula, the facts are there, he's said he'll decide if he's doing a good job and since he always sticks around clearly he thinks he's doing a great job.
I don't think you can take the anger and frustration you can see after games at seeing the same things is the same as people in the cold light of day saying they don't like the guy, and i wouldn't want to presume that they do or don't.
There are times when he annoys me greatly, and i think if he tries to ride out this particular storm than i will respect him a lot less for doing so.
I think on balance Wenger doesn't think he's doing a terrible job, I think because he controls every facet of the club he genuinely believes that only he could manage the club which is absurdly deluded and arrogant. But I don't believe for a moment he doesn't care about results like the Bayern game, that post match interview wasn't for show he was genuinely upset by what had happened but the fact that he thinks he could get a big job elsewhere if not here shows he has total confidence in himself to turn it around without having to change his approach.
Am I resentful that Arsenal fans are hostage to whether this man can bare retiring or not, but ultimately who allows him to get away with it?. Wenger hardly coasts at Arsenal he is the first one at London Colney and the last one to leave, whether it's a successful venture or not i think it's hard to question his dedication does that mean because of the hours he puts it we have to tolerate his deficiencies? No of course not.....but i can understand someone who puts everything into the club even if he's way past his sell by date finding it difficult to relinquish all that.
That's why I think the board are contemptible cowards for not at least taking him aside and persuading him to go.
What is there to like about him though in reality? He has no connection with the fans and patronises and blames them repeatedly, he point blank refuses to accept responsiblity or blame the players, he comes out with stuff about Arsenal never having won the CL before he arrived and him deciding if he's doing a good job, he's pretty much said he prioritises money over success on the pitch.
I don't really get why people would like him, if he treated people with a bit more respect then fine but he really doesn't. If he was more honest and accepted some blame, then you'd say you know what he hasn't been great in recent years but he acknowledges his failures and has tried to change things good on him, he just doesn't though choosing the I'm always right path instead.
As for caring for results, maybe on the day, but in the end in the cold light of day when his team have qualified for the CL he seems happy enough, in addition you'll quite often find when we collapse and go out of everything but then go on a run of half a dozen games where we beat some small teams he comes out and says how great the team is and to look at the unbeaten run etc etc, it really doesn't sound to me like a guy who is a winner and detets coming 2nd best so much.
Yes he puts in the hours, but that's his love for football, not necesarily love for Arsenal, in the end the fans are Arsenal and he's quick to point the finger at them, someone who loved Arsenal would perhaps try and connect with the fans more and understand their point of view rather than repeatedly patronising them.
Yes, that is very scientific on board this size but OK, 4 people out of 22 voted for him to stay. And this is a particularly negative board so probably not that representative of Arsenal fans in the wild.
Even if it was that's 18% of Arsenal fans who want him to stay which, if my maths are right, is more than 2 people.
Some people are saying that he's ruined his legacy but some people are saying that only 4 Arsenal fans in the whole world want him to stay or how we only ever finish 4th, some people talk a lot of nonsense.
Are you really so petty? Do you genuinely think he doesn't know there are more than 4 Arsenal fans who want him to stay? Is this the level you are prepared to play at to get an Internet "win"? Do you genuinely think that "only ever finish 4th" is supposed to be taken literally when clearly it is a mocking summary of Wenger's own belief that 4th place represents a trophy?
You evade so much useful discussion to focus in on the trivialities. One would almost think that's the only level you can operate on. Your own nonsense is hardly better than anyone else's.
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Says the man who produced two videos with people citing stats to back up a point of view.
Then ignored my analysis of the actual stats.
Then said stats were important.
Then said individual incidents were important.
Then said stats have been corrupted, despite the fact that was your starting point for the discussion.
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