Match Reaction vs Bayern Munich (home)

[Niall_Quinn]

Last night's game was always going to be farcical one way or another because we blew it so badly in the first leg. The focus should still be on that game. Another hiding when we needed to show we have learned a few things from 20 years of CL competition. But we didn't and we haven't. That's down to Wenger. Not the board, not the players, not the fans. 20 years experience and he's still taking teams away from home and getting pasted. It's a terrible indictment. The only thing we have achieved from 20 years of competition at the top level is a bank full of cash - which is pure coincidence.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Does it add anything to objective and reasonable debate?
You've picked him up on the same sort of thing enough times and banned him from theads because of it

When it was clear he was on the wum.

Go for the man when on the wum go for the argument when not.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Is that so? Another record!
Tbh, I don't care about that. Last night's result was clearly skewed by the referee. I care about the bigger picture about us being competitive with the sides we should be competitive. In Europe there is no disgrace in losing to Bayern but we should be able to give them a game and domestically I don't think anyone is going to get close to Chelsea this year and fair play to them but, again, do what you can to put pressure on and be as competitive as you can. We shouldn't be scrabbling around desperately trying to finish top 4 and hopefully finishing above Spurs.

Other teams, including us have faced situations when they've been fucked over by a ref.

But none have capitulated in such a cowardly manner.

Ever.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Other teams, including us have faced situations when they've been fucked over by a ref.

But none have capitulated in such a cowardly manner.

Ever.

In fairness this was the point i was making last night, 1) there was no evidence to go with the assertion of corruption and 2) it was totally irrelevant anyway

However both you and the other NQ rounded on me like i was Michel Platini

[Xhaka Can’t]

There was another element. The corruption in and surrounding the game is so ingrained in its governance and culture that there is far too big a chance that last nights referring 'mistakes' aren't mistakes at all.

That is entirely separate from the argument that collectively, we are a team of cowards.

[Niall_Quinn]

In fairness this was the point i was making last night, 1) there was no evidence to go with the assertion of corruption and 2) it was totally irrelevant anyway

However both you and the other NQ rounded on me like i was Michel Platini

Did I? I'm sure you deserved it then. And can you prove you aren't Platini?

[Letters]

Because you always start it. Every time.

I'm replying to HIS messages so how is it me starting it?
As HCZ has noted too, he's posting with obvious glee today.
I find it galling that someone who claims to support Arsenal would be relishing our failings and the personal nature of his distain for Wenger is just bizarre.
Meh. Whatever.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Did I? I'm sure you deserved it then. And can you prove you aren't Platini?

Oui

[Özim]

Zim comes out with the most ridiculous statements and then when the chips are down pretends everything he has said is wholly reasonable and comes across with "see i told you so".

I detest the notion from the AKB faction that those who want Wenger out are revelling in this chaos, but in Zim's case and he would even admit it himself he's in his element.

In your opinion of course, maybe they aren't that ridiculous and I've not once come out and said I told you so to anyone, I guess that's just something you feel rather than reality, I've had the same opinion for many years about the situation.

I don't revel in chaos as you put it, I've just wanted Wenger out for years, for the exact reasons we're seeing today, yes I will be happy when he leaves because for me he's ruined football, there's literally nothing I enjoy about theclub anymore and I lay this firmly at his door, the fact he chooses to patronise and act like he's better than everyone else and knows better than Jesus himself also grates, there's such thing as humility but the man doesn't know the meaning of the word. I've said many times before if he was more humble and acknowledged his faults and those of his players it would make a big difference, instead he rams the fact he and then are wonderful down your throat every single week.

Not my fault you don't like it, that's how I feel, since he changed our style of football, football has slowly become more and more irrelevant to the point that it's hard to watch us now as it's so mundane, there's no passion, no drive, no entertainment, no variety....just a whole lot of boredom and frustration at what I see and what we do every single transfer window.

So excuse me if I appear upbeat that the man who has turned the club into something that is the polar opposite of what it should be might be nearing his end with us.

[Özim]

I'm replying to HIS messages so how is it me starting it?
As HCZ has noted too, he's posting with obvious glee today.
I find it galling that someone who claims to support Arsenal would be relishing our failings and the personal nature of his distain for Wenger is just bizarre.
Meh. Whatever.

Do you? I find it galling that people like you have constantly been making excuses for Wengers failures and still see put him on some pedestal as if he's someone to look up to, his behaviour paints a different picture, one you point blank refuse to see.

It's not our failings I'm relishing at all, it's the fact we might actually see some change and someone different that brings back all the things that are good about football, unpredictability, excitement, change, variety and most importantly hope. I won't be sorry when Wenger leaves, to me he thinks he's gods gift to football and I frankly dislike the way he portrays himself as better than everyone else and points the finger at everyone but the players, the club and himself, even going as far as having the audacity of blaming the fans.....repeatedly, that's just unacceptable, he's done very well at the fans expense.

I don't like arrogance but if someone is hugely successful you can stomach it to a point as long as they don't ram it down your throat all the time, but when someone is so obviously a failure then I don't understand it.