Match Reaction vs Bayern Munich (home)

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I should make the point that i have no real issue with Zim, and i'm sure he is capable of thoughtful analysis but i don't in anyway take him seriously.

Which is not even discriminatory as i don't take any of you that seriously. You've done nothing to prove to me that you are anything but products of my mundane imagination and that i'm doing anything but typing to myself.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

In your opinion of course, maybe they aren't that ridiculous and I've not once come out and said I told you so to anyone, I guess that's just something you feel rather than reality, I've had the same opinion for many years about the situation.

I don't revel in chaos as you put it, I've just wanted Wenger out for years, for the exact reasons we're seeing today, yes I will be happy when he leaves because for me he's ruined football, there's literally nothing I enjoy about theclub anymore and I lay this firmly at his door, the fact he chooses to patronise and act like he's better than everyone else and knows better than Jesus himself also grates, there's such thing as humility but the man doesn't know the meaning of the word. I've said many times before if he was more humble and acknowledged his faults and those of his players it would make a big difference, instead he rams the fact he and then are wonderful down your throat every single week.

Not my fault you don't like it, that's how I feel, since he changed our style of football, football has slowly become more and more irrelevant to the point that it's hard to watch us now as it's so mundane, there's no passion, no drive, no entertainment, no variety....just a whole lot of boredom and frustration at what I see and what we do every single transfer window.

So excuse me if I appear upbeat that the man who has turned the club into something that is the polar opposite of what it should be might be nearing his end with us.

Off the top of my head you said you wished Wenger had never become manager, and you made a silly statement about Wenger celebrating one of our goals against Sutton like it was the winning goal in a champions league final.

Now you could totally sincerely believe that you wish the club had never appointed Wenger, but you can't expect that anyone will take anything you say seriously after that point.

I don't like that it's taking this chaotic situation to give us any hope of dislodging Wenger and i totally resent him for that, but as i say if you aren't enjoying this run of results you are certainly not giving off that impression.

[Letters]

i'm sure he is capable of thoughtful analysis.

Are you sure?
He hides it very well if so.

[Özim]

Off the top of my head you said you wished Wenger had never become manager, and you made a silly statement about Wenger celebrating one of our goals against Sutton like it was the winning goal in a champions league final.

Now you could totally sincerely believe that you wish the club had never appointed Wenger, but you can't expect that anyone will take anything you say seriously after that point.

I don't like that it's taking this chaotic situation to give us any hope of dislodging Wenger and i totally resent him for that, but as i say if you aren't enjoying this run of results you are certainly not giving off that impression.

I think by saying that (not sure those were my exact words), I was really questioning this ascertion that he's the best thing that ever happened to this club and that this club would be nowhere without him.

Look at the club today and tell me what's good about it when compared to say 2004, do you like what it's become, is this Wenger's legacy? Wenger did some great things, there's no doubt about it, but the state of the club right now is terrible in almost all aspects except financially.

As for the Sutton thing, I found it cringeworthy to be honest, we were playing non league opposition, we should have smacked them 5-6 nil at least, I don't really see what there is to celebrate when you score against a bunch of part timers.

I haven't enjoyed watching us for years to be honest, it's no different now, but yes I'm looking forward to the possibility of something new and exciting, 20 years is far far too long for any manager to be in charge, we're a prime example of why you should never keep a manager too ong.

[Letters]

I think by saying that (not sure those were my exact words), I was really questioning this ascertion that he's the best thing that ever happened to this club and that this club would be nowhere without him.

Who has asserted that?

[Letters]

As for the Sutton thing, I found it cringeworthy to be honest, we were playing non league opposition, we should have smacked them 5-6 nil at least, I don't really see what there is to celebrate when you score against a bunch of part timers.

Did the fans simply nod at each other and shake hands?
It's a goal, people celebrated.
Neither the fans nor the manager nor the players celebrated wildly.

[Özim]

Who has asserted that?

Lots of people (he even seem so to have what appears to be his own cult folllowing), seems to me that people think this club would be nothing without Wenger, wrong we were a big successful club (one of the most successful in England) before he arrived, he did move us forward no doubt about that but what's happened in the last 10 years is equally a backwards step IMO, in terms of being a top football club anyway.

[Özim]

Did the fans simply nod at each other and shake hands?
It's a goal, people celebrated.
Neither the fans nor the manager nor the players celebrated wildly.

Fans are different, Wenger isn't a fan, not in the slightest that much is clear, he's so far separate from being a fan it's untrue, that's why he can't relate to them and blames them.

[Letters]

Fans are different, Wenger isn't a fan, not in the slightest that much is clear, he's so far separate from being a fan it's untrue, that's why he can't relate to them and blames them.

Are fans different? Why? He didn't celebrate wildly and pretty much every football manager celebrates pretty much every goal to some degree or other. He hardly ran along the touchline and started crowd surfing.

he's the best thing that ever happened to this club

That is impossible to quantify but he's certainly one of the most important figures in our modern history.

this club would be nowhere without him.

Literally no-one has said that.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I think by saying that (not sure those were my exact words), I was really questioning this ascertion that he's the best thing that ever happened to this club and that this club would be nowhere without him.

Look at the club today and tell me what's good about it when compared to say 2004, do you like what it's become, is this Wenger's legacy? Wenger did some great things, there's no doubt about it, but the state of the club right now is terrible in almost all aspects except financially.

As for the Sutton thing, I found it cringeworthy to be honest, we were playing non league opposition, we should have smacked them 5-6 nil at least, I don't really see what there is to celebrate when you score against a bunch of part timers.

I haven't enjoyed watching us for years to be honest, it's no different now, but yes I'm looking forward to the possibility of something new and exciting, 20 years is far far too long for any manager to be in charge, we're a prime example of why you should never keep a manager too ong.

When I'm not at work i will trawl through the archives and present to you that those were in fact exactly your words.

As for the Sutton thing, he hardly jumped from his seat, he smiled and gave a small fist pump....the same any manager would do in any circumstance.

Do you think anyone has enjoyed watching us more often than not the last few years, most of us for years have wanted Wenger to go...what we don't do is delight in it when we lose.....we all have known for some time he isn't capable of pushing forward but we want to be proved wrong....you seemingly don't.