Wenger Referendum IV

[Özim]

Chips has spoken.



http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...senal-chairman

At least coming out with a statement shows they're aware of the ill feeling.

Yeah but that statement kinda just says yes we know what the fans are saying but we're going to make the decision, seems to me it's as if they're saying fans don't have a clue about what's good for the long term?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Maybe, it's more saying you might think we are a bunch of money grabbing vampires, and although we are a bunch of money grabbing vampires that's not our agreed PR position.

[Özim]

If a person admits to being a loser that's pretty much it for them. We know also that Journalists ask stupid questions and then they are answered with short, arrogant answers.

Do I think Wenger is wrong for blaming the fans the way he has done in the past? Yes i think that's contemptible. But let's be fair you seem to be wanting him to acknowledge failure as a preface to him going, that's not unreasonable but it's unrealistic because he isn't going to announce he will resign at the moment...i wish he would but he won't.

Journalists don't ask proper questions they ask questions to try and bait "ah gotcha" responses, I know myself that Wenger is failing as a manager and his failure this season seems to be even more apparent, it doesn't require him to acknowledge it to make it any more real.

That's not really what I want at all, I want him to accept responsibility and criticise the team when it's appropriate like most of the managers out there (I've heard them do it many times). His method is to pretend it's all OK but that it's something else causing the issues, I have no time for someone who washes their hands of the problems they have caused to be honest.

I disagree, he does need to acknowledge his errors, it would certainly endear him much more to me and to the fans and might buy him more leeway IMO, his arrogance does the opposite, he basically see's himself as above everyone else.

Criticism and ackowledging your errors is human, all humans make mistakes but to blame everyone else and wash your hands of them is arrogant.

[Özim]

Maybe, it's more saying you might think we are a bunch of money grabbing vampires, and although we are a bunch of money grabbing vampires that's not our agreed PR position.

Maybe, I actually think this club has no real understanding or connection with the fans, most of them aren't even football fans on the board, they come from wealthy backgrounds and really have no emotional attachment to what happens on the pitch, they care about what comes into the bank. I think this has been the problem for a while, even PHW use to come out with some outrageous stuff belittling the fans.

I know other clubs owners/boards come are wealthy too, but at least some of them are interested in football, our lot don't really seem to care and it shows because if they did there would surely be repercussions for the kinda displays we've put out in the last few years.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

We are talking about high profile positions, if a football manager or a politician admits to serious errors than the next question he/she gets is "are you going to resign and if not why not"

To admit to being fallible is not a tenable position for anyone looking to staying in the job it just isn't

In terms of press conferences a manager in this day and age does have to present himself as being above everyone else, and the day he doesn't is the day he goes.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Maybe, I actually think this club has no real understanding or connection with the fans, most of them aren't even football fans on the board, they come from wealthy backgrounds and really have no emotional attachment to what happens on the pitch, they care about what comes into the bank. I think this has been the problem for a while, even PHW use to come out with some outrageous stuff belittling the fans.

I know other clubs owners/boards come are wealthy too, but at least some of them are interested in football, our lot don't really seem to care and it shows because if they did there would surely be repercussions for the kinda displays we've put out in the last few years.

Arsenal Football Club as clubs tend to do has a press office, this statement would have been passed through the press office....this is an official statement not Chips Keswick having a microphone pointed at him as he's getting out of his chauffeur driven Bentley.

The fact that any statement has been made at all is an acknowledgement that there is fans unrest, and it's saying "well despite what you think we do care about this club as much as you do" it's a lie of course but it's a properly manafactured one.

[Özim]

We are talking about high profile positions, if a football manager or a politician admits to serious errors than the next question he/she gets is "are you going to resign and if not why not"

To admit to being fallible is not a tenable position for anyone looking to staying in the job it just isn't

In terms of press conferences a manager in this day and age does have to present himself as being above everyone else, and the day he doesn't is the day he goes.

It's not just today we're talking about it's everytime we lose, everytime we get thrashed, there's never any acknowledgment that we've done anything wrong, like I said other managers acknowledge players underperforming, poor team performances and errors sometimes.

Wenger is quite the opposite, not only does he not acknowledge any mistakes or his players being to blame, when something fails he's carries on with it as if he wants to prove people wrong, that's the reason 10 years down the line we still have the same problems, no acknowledgment anything is wrong.

[Özim]

Arsenal Football Club as clubs tend to do has a press office, this statement would have been passed through the press office....this is an official statement not Chips Keswick having a microphone pointed at him as he's getting out of his chauffeur driven Bentley.

The fact that any statement has been made at all is an acknowledgement that there is fans unrest, and it's saying "well despite what you think we do care about this club as much as you do" it's a lie of course but it's a properly manafactured one.

Yes you're right, the problem is that statement comes across as a bit patronising, basically "we've heard the fans, but they don't have a clue about the long term health of the club, so we're going to decide because we do".

Personally I think a softer stance gievn the situation, acknowledging the concern of the fans and acknowledging the fans are a very important part of Arsenal would have been far better. Story of Arseal these days though, everything can be done better than it is.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

It's not just today we're talking about it's everytime we lose, everytime we get thrashed, there's never any acknowledgment that we've done anything wrong, like I said other managers acknowledge players underperforming, poor team performances and errors sometimes.

Wenger is quite the opposite, not only does he not acknowledge any mistakes or his players being to blame, when something fails he's carries on with it as if he wants to prove people wrong, that's the reason 10 years down the line we still have the same problems, no acknowledgment anything is wrong.

"we lacked a little bit sharpness"

"we played without belief"

"we played little bit with the handbrake on"

No it's not the acknowledgement of what a total disaster it is, but that realistically isn't going to happen

[selassie]

It's not just today we're talking about it's everytime we lose, everytime we get thrashed, there's never any acknowledgment that we've done anything wrong, like I said other managers acknowledge players underperforming, poor team performances and errors sometimes.

Wenger is quite the opposite, not only does he not acknowledge any mistakes or his players being to blame, when something fails he's carries on with it as if he wants to prove people wrong, that's the reason 10 years down the line we still have the same problems, no acknowledgment anything is wrong.

Agreed.

In fact I'll go one step further, if you look at Wenger's comments on Arsenal.com after the Bayern defeat he is flat out speaking as if nothing is wrong. He basically blamed the ref for the defeat the other night and said we competed with Bayern for 45 minutes. Is this what it has come to? We should be grateful for competing with them for a quarter of the tie? What about the other three quarters of the tie where they ripped us to shreads? Are we supposed to just forget that and move on AGAIN....?

I don't want Wenger to apologise after every defeat but i do want him to show some humility and be honest with himself and the fans, we are the laughing stock in football right now, we have been humiliated over the past few weeks yet Wenger is talking as if it's business usual...nothing wrong here, just an overreaction!

There is plenty WRONG and it's been WRONG for a while now!!!