Again not saying he is, but i wouldn't want the people even worse than him involved with Arsenal eitherOriginally Posted by Globalgunner
It's a bit like saying who can i trust to babysit my kids more, Ian Watkins or Sidney Cooke....well Sidney will be ok he can't run as fast as he used to
Truth. I was going to point out the same thing myself but can't get into a big debate today because I have to undersell my labour in a globalised, rigged market and then have a whole bunch of "respectable" people skim from the proceeds in the hope I have something left to feed my family. Like the vast majority, I have to work.
There's no fundamental difference between Kroenke and Usmanov, all that differs is the distance they place between themselves and the actions others carry out on their behalf. Usmanov likes to make the phone calls himself. Kroenke lets the government and its military get on with things without his direct instruction. The end result is the same, vast and unearned wealth transferred from the many to the few. Is Usmanov the more honest thug in this respect? Probably. Are either of them familiar with morality? Hardly.
The game is in a shit state because these vile individuals like these are involved at all. HCZ would be the first to tell you this is the way it will always be because people are fundamentally bad. The logical conclusion therefore is nobody should be allowed to own football clubs because everybody will be corrupted as a result. But if we must have owners and we accept the dark nature of mankind then there's little point discriminating between individual examples of that darkness.
That said, I want Kroenke out, not Usmanov in. Which is not very realistic because Kroenke is going nowhere and, even if he did, we'd have another scumbag slide right in. Maybe he'd part with some of his money, inflating and ruining the game further. Allowing us to "compete" by short-cutting our way back into the top flight. Others have done it, why not us? Because each time this happens more of the game is lost. When eventually every clubs is obliged to have one of these bastards pumping cash in then we'll have 20 odd clubs left and corruption on a scale never seen before in football (since Graham Poll reffed a Utd game at least).
Oh wait, the European Super League.
Football's dying.
That question, why would you need more than a billion in the bank? The answer, to protect yourself from the other billionaires you fucked over getting to the "top". Money starts out as debt (that's for you and I), then it becomes wealth when you find a way to control that debt, finally it becomes power. When you have power then it takes a lot of influence to hold onto it. That's why these guys can never have enough. It's not about buying yachts, it's about owning people.
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Usmanov already is an owner.
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By that logic you could suggest some of the fan groups that still own a nominal amount of shares are owners
Kroenke is the majority shareholder and the de facto owner.
Well by that fact, I do suggest all of the fan groups that still own a nominal amount of shares are owners. They are. Not owners with influence, but owners nonetheless. So make no mistake, Arsenal is already a possession of Usmanov. It is Usmanov's club you are associated with, as well as Kroenke's and the rest of them who can afford that juicy and ever rising share price. You already keep bad company just by associating yourself with the club. We all do.
But what are we going to do? It's not just football, it's everything. And, contrary to your belief that all people are bad, it is a few bad apples that have soured a species. The few who own everything including all the rest of us. I saw it expressed well the other day by a clumsy DARPA scientist who was naive enough to say too much. This is an economic species, not a social one.
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The beauty in all of this, the shining little LED in the pitch darkness of our misery is Leicester. Forget Ranieri losing his way this season. Leicester have rekindled all hope is football fans. Shown that money is not the be and end all of the pantheon of football. it is about a group of 11-18 players who are focused, well coached, physical and determined. In an ideal world people like Wenger would take an oath of silence until they next win a title. Every big team was put to shame by them. Wengers position was untenable right from the end of last season.
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What you say about the human condition is likely true. Take a 9 month old child. Even they will refuse to share toys with another kid who has none. I can imagine a baby Letters holding on to his 5 rattles wailing No!, No!, No!, as he is encouraged to relinquish just 1. People need to learn decency. It doesnt always come natural.
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Agree on Wenger obviously. All his excuses are gone now.
But the other thing you can say about Leicester's players is they have quickly transformed themselves from the bearers of football's fairy tale into the same old cynical shite that we're used to. Poor tactics, poor organisation, lack of motivation can all be laid at the manager's doorstep. But the players refusing to play for the manager or anything less than 100% effort is unacceptable. We're rapidly getting to the point where the players run the team, not the manager. We've seen this a few times now, recently. I think we may have seen it again with our lot yesterday.
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The bare faced cheek of it to say he's made his decision and we will know soon, when it's clearly torn the fans and team apart. He's doing what's best for himself and not the club, unfortunately that's why he's lost so much respect from the fans.
The guy needs to go now.
Not at the end of the season. Now.
NOTE: The location of this post has been moved and the thread title (which was previously Wenger is Leaving) has been manipulated by a notorious pro-Wenger moderator. What was previously a message that contained no profanity and made a comment on a real life event has now been manipulated by a deliberately provocative title. An old and crude propaganda and censorship technique.
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