AFTV is the only entertainment left. Let's not knock it. Without it we are left with what, post defeat motivational poetry recital from Chips Keswick?Originally Posted by mastermind84
AFTV is the only entertainment left. Let's not knock it. Without it we are left with what, post defeat motivational poetry recital from Chips Keswick?
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I can't recall a time we lost 4 out of 5 league games under Wenger. Moreover, I don't remember a time we lost 10-2 on aggregate on our way out of European competition.
It could've been worse. He could've masked over the overall shitness that it's plain to see for all and sundry. He could've spoken about our fight for top 4, something outlandish about us still being mathematically able to catch Chelsea and our being two games away from winning a trophy in the FA Cup. But he didn't.
My point is, we have to support the club. It's churlish to say we can't be bothered.
Formerly TMOKJ
To each his own. Support the club. The club that is taking fans for a ride?. Stories are that Chips Keswick paid for the Wenger support plane yesterday
Support Arsenal. Not Arsene. He is a serial loser.
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Yes, support Arsenal, not Arsene. I agree. Our sole purpose is to win football games.
Any banners, any Wenger out sentiment, wait until after the game. Don't do it when you're 3-1 down with 20 minutes to go to an inferior team (on paper). It's counter productive. If there is going to be any small hope of the fans spurring on a team to overturn a 2 goal deficit then we're going the wrong way about it.
Formerly TMOKJ
I have no problem with AFTV and I want them to make as much money as they can, which they are doing. But I also know they are not real people. Just saying take it with a grain of salt but sit back and enjoy their entertainment, when he is great.
Yes he is serious Ernesto and it's not that far different from how I am feeling.
Top 4 is completely gone this season and I don't expect us to finish above Man United either, I think the best we can hope for is 6th, though I'm not completely ruling out us finishing below Everton...so 7th is a real possibility.
Forget about the FA Cup, we are in the Semi-Finals to make up the numbers, the other 3 are in there to compete for the trophy.
In the grand scheme of things our league position this season doesn't really matter, seriously....even a top 4 finish would be papering over the cracks, we have major problems all over the team...the coaching, players form, the whole thing right now is one BIG mess and it has been for a while. Wenger is the common factor here, he has nowhere to hide now, no more excuses....
Wenger is done, finished...finito, it won't get any better from here on, he's up against 5 maybe 6 managers who are clearly better than him...no amount of money we throw at the team will improve us with Wenger in charge because he doesn't know what to do with it, last summer should tell us all we need to know about Wenger and his ideas of improving the team through player recruitment. This is it now, Wenger and you call it a uniquely bad period, I call it the way things will be going forward, we are no longer in a position where things will fall into place for us because we have real challenges now for top 4 and as it stands we are just making up the numbers in CL. I for one am praying he does the honourable thing and steps down at the end of the season because it's got to the point now where I can't even watch us...it's that painful.
Despite all of the above our stagnation is not all on Wenger, we have other major issues namely Kroenke and his cronies but we need to start building from somewhere and the Manager needs to go first.
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I just think we have to be careful what we wish for. If we don't get CL football for next season, will we stand a better chance of qualifying for it next season without having been in it? I'm not sure.
Since we last won the league, we finished runners up the season later. Even since then, we've been duped into thinking that 4th place is fine. Who's to say that qualifying for the Europa isnt going to be the desired prerequisite? Standards are seriously slipping.
Teams around us are getting stronger. I just almost feel like if we don't blink, they'll blink first. If we keep blocking other teams from getting in the CL (just to be clear, I want us to be in it to win it) then they might get frustrated into making stupid managerial decisions (I'm looking at Spurs, Man United and Liverpool).
Formerly TMOKJ
As it stands we won't be getting CL football next season and we are not progressing as a Football team we are regressing.
Wenger has been given more than enough leeway, he has been given countless seasons to get it right including last season where all our traditional rivals were in freefall, he still couldn't get it right.
He has been given money, fitness coaches, assistant managers, new players, anything that could possibly change has changed and we are still seeing the same results season upon season.
We need CHANGE and we need it now, we know what we are getting with Wenger and it certainly isn't improvement.
We all know why the standards are slipping, it's because of this rotten regime where nobody at the football club is accountable for team performance or improvement. Standards and targets just get shifted based upon where we are at the given time and it's just simply ludicrous.
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*coughs politely*
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