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[Power n Glory]

And the manager keeps sending us out on the pitch to do the same things. This is the one overriding problem that makes all the noise about 300 hours a week working for Arsenal night and day and dignity and legacy a nonsense. In the end Wenger is paid to do a job and he's not doing it. And for seasons he's had the chance to loosen his grip, bring in some help and freshen things up with new ideas. But look at what has happened. Assistants have come and gone, ex-players have been shunned or shown the door. People who genuinely love the club are stuck on the outside while a bunch of profiteers are all making bank. It all stems from Wenger's inability to change even in the face of overwhelming evidence such as a season like this one we've been enduring. He's a hugely negative force now, doing real damage. This board is idiotic, the biggest Wengerites of all. Just assuming the guy is infallible and everything can be left to him without question. Every warning sign has been missed or ignored. That lot haven't been doing their job either. And now it seems the players can't be arsed either.

What happens when the fans step up to do their job and raise their voices pointing out these obvious problems? They get savaged by the media and pricks like Gary Neville. And the very people who have allowed the club to slip into this downward trending rut through their complacency and incompetence have jumped onboard and suggested the fans are part of the problem. Do they really imagine, given what they have (or should have) seen over the last few seasons that all the fans just sitting there cheering away through every shit show would have made a difference? Actually applauding these fuckers for not doing their jobs? It's insulting how irrelevant and stupid they must think we are.

It;s an insult to hear them talk on the situation. Neville now declaring it's painful to. Try being an Arsenal fan. It's actually nuts to think of how long we've been watching this and complaining ob GW.

It's time I get a life. Fuck football.

[Globalgunner]

A man comes to work each day and sees busts of him and paintings lining the hallway. Who wants to say goodbye to that, with £10m on top too?

Some of us have been Wenger out since the last GW btw. Hes been an anchor on this club for at least a decade,

[Niall_Quinn]

The lap of "appreciation" will be interesting this year...

Half lap, knowing our lot. Maybe Alexis will run the whole way, as a farewell.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Half lap, knowing our lot. Maybe Alexis will run the whole way, as a farewell.

he won't be running anywhere for a while

[Niall_Quinn]

he won't be running anywhere for a while

Oh yes, that "meaty challenge" Sky was laughing about. He'll probably be back before Ozil though. Ozil's achilles has flu apparently.

[Letters]

A man comes to work each day and sees busts of him and paintings lining the hallway. Who wants to say goodbye to that, with £10m on top too?

Some of us have been Wenger out since the last GW btw. Hes been an anchor on this club for at least a decade,

It's more complicated than that IMO.
Wenger has strengths and weaknesses, like anyone.

In the best years under Wenger his strengths propelled us to heights I never thought I'd see an Arsenal side achieve but even then his weaknesses showed, looking back - failure in Europe with one of the great club sides of all time (IMO) and a failure to retain the title. After The Invincibles the stadium move did hamper us, you can't blame Wenger for that especially as it coincided with the billionaires coming into the game. In that era I think, overall, he did well to keep us relatively competitive but he did fail to land us trophies on a few occasions when he should have done. When the new financial deals came in I think he deserved a chance to use the money. Players like Ozil and Sanchez should have pushed us on, the FA Cups were a good start but we have failed to push on for bigger prizes and it's clear we won't under Wenger. So while I think we pretty much all agree Wenger should go, I don't agree that we would have fared better had he been replaced 10 years ago. Obviously we'll never know, but any other manager would have been subject to financial constraints and I don't think many would have done significantly better.

[Globalgunner]

It's more complicated than that IMO.
Wenger has strengths and weaknesses, like anyone.

In the best years under Wenger his strengths propelled us to heights I never thought I'd see an Arsenal side achieve but even then his weaknesses showed, looking back - failure in Europe with one of the great club sides of all time (IMO) and a failure to retain the title. After The Invincibles the stadium move did hamper us, you can't blame Wenger for that especially as it coincided with the billionaires coming into the game. In that era I think, overall, he did well to keep us relatively competitive but he did fail to land us trophies on a few occasions when he should have done. When the new financial deals came in I think he deserved a chance to use the money. Players like Ozil and Sanchez should have pushed us on, the FA Cups were a good start but we have failed to push on for bigger prizes and it's clear we won't under Wenger. So while I think we pretty much all agree Wenger should go, I don't agree that we would have fared better had he been replaced 10 years ago. Obviously we'll never know, but any other manager would have been subject to financial constraints and I don't think many would have done significantly better.

Your post is exactly what Wenger tells himself every night before having a blissful sleep.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Your post is exactly what Wenger tells himself every night before having a blissful sleep.

Wenger thinks he has weaknesses and doesn't believe he can push us on?

[Marc Overmars]

It;s an insult to hear them talk on the situation. Neville now declaring it's painful to. Try being an Arsenal fan. It's actually nuts to think of how long we've been watching this and complaining ob GW.

It's time I get a life. Fuck football.

Pretty much. Sky and BT are going at the end of the season unless they cut me a deal, I rarely watch non-Arsenal games anymore and half the time I don't even know the scores of other games unless I'm on here and Maccy is doing his thing!

I sure as hell don't intend on going to anymore games until he's gone. That's the hardest part for me because it's been such a huge part of my life but I'm so fed up the enjoyment has just been sapped out of it. I've made some big life changes over the last 2 years and I've come to realise it's really not worth the hassle at all. Buying a house and getting married is a headache in itself so I can do without Arsenal on top of that.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

That's awful

Getting married?

Resigning yourself to having sex with the same person for the rest of your life or when your sex drive finally goes and doesn't come back.

Christ.....sorry to hear that