He is done. Look at that crowd last night. And by all accounts the answer to "are you not entertained" was pretty obvious.
To be honest I doubt he is even capable of getting the results to settle down.
He is done. Look at that crowd last night. And by all accounts the answer to "are you not entertained" was pretty obvious.
To be honest I doubt he is even capable of getting the results to settle down.
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By who?Originally Posted by fakeyank
In the same way people who believe Wenger is the worst manager in world football (an equally absurd suggestion as yours, and, like yours, one not really believed by anyone) spin anything and everything to suit their agenda.Frankly, people who want him to stay can spin anything and everything to make it seem like he is the greatest messiah to this football club.
And so what? People will always spin things to suit their agenda.
Very few people want Wenger to stay now whatever happens this season and frankly we don't have any power to affect change anyway.
I'd like us to finish top 4 and win the FA Cup and Wenger to go out on a high. I don't think any of those things will happen.
Let's face it, he's going to be here next year. And unless he does the Double it's not going to change many people's minds.
And if he does than people like FY and Zim will just double down and say he got lucky anyway.
Cognitive dissonance
Sadly that can't be quantified, he still seems to have his supporters, the bigger issue is that with every win he anger subsisdes people start seeing change and aren't that bothered whether he stays anymore, people are even noticing changes in tactics now as a sign of him changing.
We've seen anger before, yes maybe not on this scale but that subsided quickly enough after a few wins and it does appear to be happening again with every positive result, we're also seeing Wenger come out with some smug comments about proving people wrong, hunger and togetherness.
The way I see it in the last couple games we've won and there doesn't seem to be so many saying it's time for Wenger to go, so if anything it's becoming easier for him to stay and fan pressure is disapearing again. Nothing seems to stick to this guy.
That might be true but that doesn't mean people should just keep quiet and accept it, they can still make the same noises they were a couple weeks ago, if they appear content and don't voice their feelings about him anymore it makes his life and signing a contract much easier for him.Let's face it, he's going to be here next year. And unless he does the Double it's not going to change many people's minds.
And if he does than people like FY and Zim will just double down and say he got lucky anyway.
Cognitive dissonance
That's not what cognitive dissonance is.Let's face it, he's going to be here next year. And unless he does the Double it's not going to change many people's minds.
And if he does than people like FY and Zim will just double down and say he got lucky anyway.
Cognitive dissonance
Wenger actually is the worst manager in football and considering he's proved it beyond doubt this season I'm not sure why you find that rather obvious statement troubling. I explained elsewhere why he's the worst manager in the game. Tell me why he isn't and name a single manager who's inferior. In fairness, this isn't entirely Wenger's fault because the managerial role at Arsenal is ludicrous beyond words and the board members here deserve comprehensive condemnation for abdicating all their responsibilities (except taking the cash). It's a total shit show and there's nothing like it anywhere else in the football world, nor will their ever be anything like it in the future given this cautionary tale.
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Who on here has said he should stay after those wins? I haven't, and you know I've been more patient than most.
Of course the anger will subside after a few wins. You always say how arrogant Wenger is, now you think a few boos or chants from fans will make him reconsider whether to sign a new contract?
Football fans live in hope and everything is relative. When massive investment is poured into anything, investors expect a return. The fans are the major investors at this club, something routinely overlooked. They pay the world record ticket prices, they buy the merchandise, they pay the sky high TV subscription packages, the buy goods and services from the sponsors. The official "investors", like Kroenke, shuffle money around but they actually invest nothing. He's parked his money here like it's a savings account with a 100% interest rate. Easy money and zero risk in boom (before the bust) industry. His only risk is knowing when to get in (insider information no doubt) and knowing when to get out (ditto). So the fans have a big emotional attachment as well as a big financial attachment, one way or the other. The fans are the ones who yearn to see the club do well, not for the cash return that will never come, but for intangibles, joy, bragging rights, tribal supremacy, (dare I whisper it) entertainment... On that basis fans are pretty delusional to begin with, investing their all in a sport hijacked by emotionless sharks. So the odd win here and there will fuel the delusion, even though we all know deep down that nothing can ever come from our risk averse owners or our cash obsessed manager. I think the fans who start mellowing as the results improve are not trying to pretend we are solving problems or making progress, I think they are consoling themselves with the thought that if they can't scrape a little return from a Cup and a few wins to see out a horrible season then there's probably no point being involved. Ollie Holt, Chris Wenger and Ty are probably the last people on the planet who genuinely view Wenger as credible.
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You think this season has proved something about which there is no objective measure?
Interesting.
PS: Reading a book about (partly) about cognitive dissonance at the moment, this place is a hotbed of it.
I wasn't necessarily referrring to people on here more the fans at the games that get interviewed really and those are the one who have the most impact. Yes I do think he's arrogant, but pressure does affect how you feel, you could see it in his interviews when we were losing, now after a win or two he's back to being the old Wenger, I know he doesn't care either way, but ultimately unhappy fans leads to poor attendances and less money and the club then become concerned which then puts pressure on the manager.
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