Wenger Referendum IV

[Power n Glory]

I don't think he denies that Wenger is a control freak, but like i say i don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that Gazidis catalyst of change stuff is political manoeuvring on his part, to give the impression that he's on the fan's side.

Of course it’s political manoeuvring. It’s funny how long Arseblog has avoided saying Wenger is the problem and pointed the finger at Gazidis and now that it’s clear that Wenger is the problem, it’s still Gazidis’s fault for not acting sooner. With what power and backing if the owner is a fan of the manager and fans scared to point the finger at Wenger but instead pointing it at the Board?

[Niall_Quinn]

Of course it’s political manoeuvring. It’s funny how long Arseblog has avoided saying Wenger is the problem and pointed the finger at Gazidis and now that it’s clear that Wenger is the problem, it’s still Gazidis’s fault for not acting sooner. With what power and backing if the owner is a fan of the manager and fans scared to point the finger at Wenger but instead pointing it at the Board?

Whatever is going on behind the scenes, it's only occurring because Wenger has long outstayed his welcome. Just about every problem at the club originates with him.

Why the fuck doesn't he go? It's really hard to believe what's going on. A complete fucking failure sitting there, imparting the wisdom of failure to all those prepared to listen for the umpteenth time. It's all so tired. Embarrassing for the club. Humiliating for Wenger himself.

[Niall_Quinn]

...the relationship between Wenger and the board is now understood to be under serious strain.

Those tensions raise questions over whether Wenger and Gazidis can continue a working relationship together beyond this season should the Frenchman get his way and sign a new two-year deal.

Gazidis, who held key roles for the MLS before agreeing to join Arsenal in 2008, wouldn’t be short of job offers in the USA if he left the Emirates.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...nge-staff.html

The automatic assumption is Wenger will stay and everyone else has to fuck off if they don't like it.

[Marc Overmars]

The autonomy he has is a joke. I don't know what to make of Gazidis but good on him if has tried to strong arm his way through.

[Power n Glory]

The autonomy he has is a joke. I don't know what to make of Gazidis but good on him if has tried to strong arm his way through.

Crazy situation. You would have thought Wenger would be looking out for the best interest of the club. He’s shielded his own position by surrounding himself by yes men and not embracing former players with influence to come back to the club as coaches. Selfish fucker. Totally opposite to what Cryuff believed in.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Of course it’s political manoeuvring. It’s funny how long Arseblog has avoided saying Wenger is the problem and pointed the finger at Gazidis and now that it’s clear that Wenger is the problem, it’s still Gazidis’s fault for not acting sooner. With what power and backing if the owner is a fan of the manager and fans scared to point the finger at Wenger but instead pointing it at the Board?

I think there is argument for equal culpability

If we are making the argument that the CEO of a football club like Arsenal has absolutely no authority, than what is he doing at the club?

If he's a good CEO would he not be able to get an equally well paid job elsewhere where he would not have his hands tied?

Whether Wenger is a control freak is a side issue, even Le Grove has questioned why Gazidis has not been able to exert any influence over Kroenke (given the argument is that Wenger can).

Now it could be that Ivan Gazidis is using Wenger's lack of standing with the fans to push for the kind of change he has wanted to impose for a while, but it's equally possible that Wenger doing everything has made his job easier and he stayed quiet until it was clear that as CEO he could no longer stay silent.

He's a PR guy and good at spin......but he's been de facto Wenger's boss longer than Kroenke has been majority share holder and yet at no time has there been any impression of Gazidis imposing any authority over Wenger.

Either way, blaming Gazidis in no way absolves Wenger - on one hand there should be no way his future is in his own hands, it should never be the case with a manager but the manager wants us to shoulder the burden of his fear of retirement. I don't believe for a second he is unaware that his ability is diminished, all he is thinking is i've given the last 20 years to this club and they owe me big time.

[selassie]

I think there is argument for equal culpability

If we are making the argument that the CEO of a football club like Arsenal has absolutely no authority, than what is he doing at the club?

If he's a good CEO would he not be able to get an equally well paid job elsewhere where he would not have his hands tied?

Whether Wenger is a control freak is a side issue, even Le Grove has questioned why Gazidis has not been able to exert any influence over Kroenke (given the argument is that Wenger can).

Now it could be that Ivan Gazidis is using Wenger's lack of standing with the fans to push for the kind of change he has wanted to impose for a while, but it's equally possible that Wenger doing everything has made his job easier and he stayed quiet until it was clear that as CEO he could no longer stay silent.

He's a PR guy and good at spin......but he's been de facto Wenger's boss longer than Kroenke has been majority share holder and yet at no time has there been any impression of Gazidis imposing any authority over Wenger.

Either way, blaming Gazidis in no way absolves Wenger - on one hand there should be no way his future is in his own hands, it should never be the case with a manager but the manager wants us to shoulder the burden of his fear of retirement. I don't believe for a second he is unaware that his ability is diminished, all he is thinking is i've given the last 20 years to this club and they owe me big time.

I can't claim to have any special information or knowledge about the situation but I do think your first paragraph that I have highlighted regarding Gazidis and Wenger is what is happening. I think there is a political stance to what Gazidis is doing but I genuinely think he also wants change and as such is using the current situation as a catalyst for change.

It is clear that Gazidis/the club are in the market for a Director of Football, Wenger is flat out opposing it and is prickly towards it because he doesn't want it. This to me is Gazidis imposing authority over Wenger and Wenger not accepting it.

Gazidis has many faults...and I've not been overly Impressed with him to be honest, but if the changes he is planning to make go ahead this summer then I'm all for it. We have been linked with some very high profile Directors of Football such as Zorc at Dortmund so that in itself is something positive.

[Niall_Quinn]

Or, this is all just grandstanding to divide the fans and impair the growth of the anti-Wenger movement. So far we've seen the invisible CEO step up and (through Wenger) appear to be pushing for change. Shame we can't hear that directly from the man himself, but he seems to like his shadows as much as Kroenke does. Then we've had the joyous news we are signing Mbappe or Aubameyang and we'll smash our transfer record (and presumably our wage policies) to do it. And we've had Wenger's switch to a back 3 (or 5, depending who we are playing), showing Wenger is agile and responsive (rather than desperate and out of ideas).

Funny, isn't it. As soon as the protests start gathering pace the sleepy lot in the back offices spring into action. And yet, so far, it's mostly words and precious little action. Even the little action we have seen, the switch in defensive systems, has seen Wenger fuck up big time against the spuds when he screwed around with the team, dropping Holding and recalling Giroud in the process. So I'm not fooled into thinking he's changed his spots. And we still have no official word on whether Wenger plans to stay or go.

In the end, I don't trust anything that comes out of the club and I don't trust the motives of anyone there. Would be nice if there is real change in the offing, but I'll believe it when I see it.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Or, this is all just grandstanding to divide the fans and impair the growth of the anti-Wenger movement. So far we've seen the invisible CEO step up and (through Wenger) appear to be pushing for change. Shame we can't hear that directly from the man himself, but he seems to like his shadows as much as Kroenke does. Then we've had the joyous news we are signing Mbappe or Aubameyang and we'll smash our transfer record (and presumably our wage policies) to do it. And we've had Wenger's switch to a back 3 (or 5, depending who we are playing), showing Wenger is agile and responsive (rather than desperate and out of ideas).

Funny, isn't it. As soon as the protests start gathering pace the sleepy lot in the back offices spring into action. And yet, so far, it's mostly words and precious little action. Even the little action we have seen, the switch in defensive systems, has seen Wenger fuck up big time against the spuds when he screwed around with the team, dropping Holding and recalling Giroud in the process. So I'm not fooled into thinking he's changed his spots. And we still have no official word on whether Wenger plans to stay or go.

In the end, I don't trust anything that comes out of the club and I don't trust the motives of anyone there. Would be nice if there is real change in the offing, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Currently at least, i find myself very sympathetic to that view point.

[GP]

#MAGA