Wenger Referendum IV

[Niall_Quinn]

Or, this is all just grandstanding to divide the fans and impair the growth of the anti-Wenger movement. So far we've seen the invisible CEO step up and (through Wenger) appear to be pushing for change. Shame we can't hear that directly from the man himself, but he seems to like his shadows as much as Kroenke does. Then we've had the joyous news we are signing Mbappe or Aubameyang and we'll smash our transfer record (and presumably our wage policies) to do it. And we've had Wenger's switch to a back 3 (or 5, depending who we are playing), showing Wenger is agile and responsive (rather than desperate and out of ideas).

Funny, isn't it. As soon as the protests start gathering pace the sleepy lot in the back offices spring into action. And yet, so far, it's mostly words and precious little action. Even the little action we have seen, the switch in defensive systems, has seen Wenger fuck up big time against the spuds when he screwed around with the team, dropping Holding and recalling Giroud in the process. So I'm not fooled into thinking he's changed his spots. And we still have no official word on whether Wenger plans to stay or go.

In the end, I don't trust anything that comes out of the club and I don't trust the motives of anyone there. Would be nice if there is real change in the offing, but I'll believe it when I see it.

[Letters]

Useful conversation going on in this thread and you are doing this? You think one of your smiley responses compensates for the fact there was no mention of Arsenal or specificity to Arsenal in what I said? Or that the implication was plucked out of thin air, by you?

You said

It will be up to them how the final placings play out. As usual.

And that was in direct response to a post about where we would finish.

[Niall_Quinn]

You said



And that was in direct response to a post about where we would finish.

The bit you've managed to edit out - The biggest influence on this league continues to be referees.

Go and find a Newsthump article to paste - child.

[Letters]

The bit you've managed to edit out - The biggest influence on this league continues to be referees.

The league that Arsenal are in, you mean? When you were responding to a post about where Arsenal will finish?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

It should be a case of equal culpability but I don’t see that happening. We have the technical side of club and then the financial side of thing. We’re now amongst the richest clubs in the world. Top 5. Who takes most of the credit for where we stand as club today financially? Wenger is given more credit for that than anyone else.

On the technical side, Wenger has drawn the line by saying he has overall control and is reluctant to change that. A ‘you do your job but don’t tell me how to do mine’ sort of stance. But it’s Gazidis that’s taken more of the blame for the technical side. We have a flawed set up where it looks like the man with the most footballing knowledge is Wenger. We need more experts and fresh blood in the set up but we have a manger that has the final say on the staff and is often reluctant to change. Has Gazidis been able to push him to make changes? I’d say yes but not far enough.

After years of injuries and topping the table for most injured, who was it that appointed the best in the business, Shad Forsythe, to join our medical staff? It was Gazidis. It was an ongoing problem and despite having to work with it day in day out, we heard piss poor conclusions from Wenger about why the players were constantly out injured and it got to the point where it couldn’t be left with Wenger to fix. We needed outside and not excuses about pitches. The same goes for our Youth Acadmey and Jonker. Gazidis made that appointment but hasn’t ended well because Jonker has moved on since being unable to change the culture. The fact that he was blocked from being able to appoint Henry speaks volumes. Freddie Ljunberg moved on with Jonker! How the heck is that happening when he’s Arsenal?

Need I mention the sponsorship deals and having to push for pre season tours that extend the brand? This stuff hasn’t happened over night and I’m guessing Wenger has dug his heels in for lot of it. But ultimately, it makes no difference if we’re not doing anything to change the first team set up. We’ve seen subtle and slow changes around the club except in one area. It’s definitely not just PR but we’ve gotten worse. Sites like Arseblog have to wake up and smell the coffee. Stop the bullshit and deflecting the attention away from Wenger.

I think Arseblog takes the same view that I do, that Wenger is merely an employee at the end of the day. Whatever we say about the omnipresent overlord Stan Kroenke.....there can be no doubt that Wenger doesn't own the club therefore whatever he does, however he behaves.....someone is responsible for him being allowed to get away with it.

It's not unreasonable to ask what kind of Chief Executive has no control over their employee, which leaves us with two possible answers 1) He has been content to take a back seats to proceedings - yes he brought in Shad Forsythe and Wim Jonker but they've been largely unused to the point where Jonker has joined Wolfsburg. It could be that he deems fit only to step in when he thinks the shit is hitting the fan to the point where he has to be seen to act (as i remember Jonker was brought in before Wenger signed his contract extension)

2) He is essentially powerless because Wenger routinely bypasses him and goes direct to Kroenke, well i don't know about you but if i was chomping at the bit to do my job to the fullest but routinely had my hands tied, i don't care how good the money is if I thought I was good enough i would move on. Frankly i tend to feel as much as Kroenke does not want to get rid of Wenger, he takes a very laisse faire approach to any sporting decisions because he is essentially a property magnate and is only concerned with which affects the value of his assets.

Don't get me wrong, if Gazidis is as good as his word and he pushes through the changes we want to see than that's unequivocally good. But the best thing you can say about him still is that he's reactive rather than proactive

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Or, this is all just grandstanding to divide the fans and impair the growth of the anti-Wenger movement. So far we've seen the invisible CEO step up and (through Wenger) appear to be pushing for change. Shame we can't hear that directly from the man himself, but he seems to like his shadows as much as Kroenke does. Then we've had the joyous news we are signing Mbappe or Aubameyang and we'll smash our transfer record (and presumably our wage policies) to do it. And we've had Wenger's switch to a back 3 (or 5, depending who we are playing), showing Wenger is agile and responsive (rather than desperate and out of ideas).

Funny, isn't it. As soon as the protests start gathering pace the sleepy lot in the back offices spring into action. And yet, so far, it's mostly words and precious little action. Even the little action we have seen, the switch in defensive systems, has seen Wenger fuck up big time against the spuds when he screwed around with the team, dropping Holding and recalling Giroud in the process. So I'm not fooled into thinking he's changed his spots. And we still have no official word on whether Wenger plans to stay or go.

In the end, I don't trust anything that comes out of the club and I don't trust the motives of anyone there. Would be nice if there is real change in the offing, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Currently at least, i find myself very sympathetic to that view point.

[GP]

#MAGA

[Letters]

#MAGA

We're going to build a stadium and the fans are going to pay...

[Niall_Quinn]

The league that Arsenal are in, you mean? When you were responding to a post about where Arsenal will finish?

There are no Internet Points in this one. Give it up.

[Letters]

There are no Internet Points in this one. Give it up.

Just picking you up on you contradicting yourself again.
Kinda amusing to watch you squirming, changing the subject, doing mental contortions and name calling rather than admitting it though.