Summer Transfer Misery 2017/18

[Niall_Quinn]

Give it up. You're having resort back to the old 606 board to drag up ancient history. Does it bother you that much? You have been wrong for a very long time. Accept it.

A Wenger apologist who only dives in to attack the messenger whenever his French fancy man is criticised. The rather transparent disguise is the odd, I wanted him sacked, I wanted him sacked comment. And then everything else is, oh please be reasonable, oh lets wait and see, oh we won the FA Cup, oh we finished 5th, but who can we replace Wenger with, there's nobody, but Wenger built the stadium with his bare hands.

For me, 2006, just after that fuck awful FA Cup final that is was painful and embarrassing to win, where Wenger had turned full coward and sent our warriors out to cower, to find every negative way to stink up the game, that seems about the right moment to be getting on Wenger's case. Unfortunately I'm a stupid cunt and it took me a lot longer to twig. And some still haven't.

[Niall_Quinn]

Why do we even start these transfer threads anyway. It's always a complete waste of time. Even when they do spend money it all goes on dredging machines so they can dig up the likes of Xhaka. Interesting question on that Tuesday Club podcast. How come nobody else ever bids for our transfer targets?

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger told beIN SPORTS about Sanchez's failed move to be reunited with Pep Guardiola: 'It was not very close, it's very difficult for me to speak about that because what I want now is the player to focus on his career, on his season and Arsenal.

'I always think first, make sure that my commitment is at the level that is expected from people paying me and have confidence in me. On the player's side it is exactly the same.'

Not very close? The gypos tell a completely different story and Alexis was sitting with their representatives waiting to sign. That the player we said we were not selling under any circumstances, sitting there waiting to sign after we accepted the gypos bid. The same player it now emerges we were talking with the gypos about for months, always intending to sell.

So Wenger, stop lying you cunt.

"I will not talk about this, except to beIN sports who I whored my arse out to on deadline day when I should have been at work justifying my 10 million quid salary."

The only reason the gypos didn't land their target was because they were relying on the Keystone Cops at our gaff to sign a replacement. We had from Tuesday to do it but we waiting until the bloke was warming up for a fucking world cup qualifier to start the ball rolling.

I take it back. It's better when this bloke doesn't speak because all that comes out of his gob is lies.

[Letters]

Well stop posting here then.

But then I'd have to try and find some real friends

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Already you've gone wrong and just jumped into a counter argument without thinking about what you originally said. Weigh up words vs actions. You always seem to suggest nothing is being done and it's quite clear a lot is going on behind the scenes but it's still not enough to bring the desired results. I didn't suggest he's a genius operator. I don't even care if what he's done is obvious to most people. That's not the argument. The question is, has he tried to do something or has he sat back and ignored the fans concerns. On evidence I see, we have made changes to our set up. If he's all talk we wouldn't see structural changes at all.

You're entitled to your opinion on Gazidis, but if you're going to provide a real counter argument and not just arguing for the sake of it, it would make sense to establish who pushed for these changes at the club and why they haven't been as effective as they should have been. Is it Wenger pushing for these changes? Is it Stan? Again, I haven't argued that it's taken a genius to work out that we need to address these problems, I'm arguing that someone is paying attention to the criticism and trying to address it with action and not just words.

Bringing in a couple of coaches, one of whom left the club because he had his hands tied is not evidence of much more than token effort that is not serious structural change.

Maybe he did plot serious structural change behind the scenes, but he got as we both know totally outmanuevered by Wenger. And all you are left is wondering is why someone who is apparently so savvy and talented doesn't have enough self respect to think fine I'm off. Chips Keswick you can understand he knew what the deal was when he stepped in for that old coffin dodger Hill Wood.

[Power n Glory]

Unfortunately, whether Gazidis has been fighting or lying down is neither here nor there in the grand scheme, and I tend to think he has been fighting. The fact he hasn't resigned makes him as bad as Wenger in my book. As soon as that cunt Wenger ran of whining to Stan, Gazidis should have said fine, you want to keep this prick? Well keep him and I'm off. That would have done more for Arsenal in one hit than anything he can do behind the scenes with both arms tied behind his back. How can he possibly put up with this situation, if he is not to some degree at least complicit?

They all need to go. And none of them will go.

How? If you believe he's fighting, don't we need someone pushing for change at that level? If he were to walk, who comes in to replace him? It would be left to Wenger to pick his own boss and he'll pick someone that won't try to challenge him. I'm sure if we left Wenger to do the CEO job, he'd play down our ambitions and attempt to stifle expectations instead of play them up. I wouldn't want to be in a position where the club can claim we have no money left to spend and fans just believe him. They'd still be playing the stadium repayment card if they could.

Also, I think a lot of people are leaning too heavily on this idea that Gazidis should walk as if his pride should be hurt and as if you need integrity for what he does. He's not as bad a Wenger. Not even close. Wenger is an athlete and I've laid out my argument before about why a sportsman like Wenger should walk away from the job. The lack of silverware and not being able to win should crush his professional pride. Gazidis is a suit. It's not the same. He could be a spineless, weasel of a man that only cares about himself and his goals. We've seen plenty of suits like that in the corporate world. But that doesn't mean such people can't do the job that's required of them. They're more than willing to schmooze and scheme their way to the top for self interest. So why would a man with with that sort of character walk away from Arsenal after losing one power battle with Wenger?

Forget the fans. Even if he's only looking out for number one, walking away with a bloody nose doesn't make sense, especially if Wenger's stupid enough to still want to work with him after seeing him try to slip the knife in his back. Walking away may prove a point to some fans, but it might not. I'm sure he'd be accused of cowardice if handing in his notice either way. But the point is, we don't need a nice guy in that role. If he's prepared to look weak one day to come back strong the next, it really doesn't matter if the purpose is to get one over Wenger and get him out.

Again, not saying this is all what I believe him to be, just thinking about the sort of slime that usually operate in that world.

[Power n Glory]

Why do we even start these transfer threads anyway. It's always a complete waste of time. Even when they do spend money it all goes on dredging machines so they can dig up the likes of Xhaka. Interesting question on that Tuesday Club podcast. How come nobody else ever bids for our transfer targets?

They slaughtered Xhaka Khan on the Tuesday Club. All true though. Worth listening to the latest Arseblog podcast. Has Tayo from the Tuesday Club joined along with the yankee, Elliot from Arsenal Vision Podcast. Elliot made some great points from what I've heard so far.

[Power n Glory]

Bringing in a couple of coaches, one of whom left the club because he had his hands tied is not evidence of much more than token effort that is not serious structural change.

Maybe he did plot serious structural change behind the scenes, but he got as we both know totally outmanuevered by Wenger. And all you are left is wondering is why someone who is apparently so savvy and talented doesn't have enough self respect to think fine I'm off. Chips Keswick you can understand he knew what the deal was when he stepped in for that old coffin dodger Hill Wood.

You're not really raising any relevant points or new information. You have no way to back up your points.

If bringing in new coaches isn't serious structural change, remind me of what's been said about Arsenal's backroom staff and men Wenger has kept around? A token move? If it were a token move, Jonker would have stayed on as Head of Youth for the easy money. But instead, he jumped at the opportunity to manage Wolfsburg.

Define serious structural change and how should we go about changing the culture of the club with Wenger in charge and Stan being part of his cult?

[Niall_Quinn]

How? If you believe he's fighting, don't we need someone pushing for change at that level? If he were to walk, who comes in to replace him? It would be left to Wenger to pick his own boss and he'll pick someone that won't try to challenge him. I'm sure if we left Wenger to do the CEO job, he'd play down our ambitions and attempt to stifle expectations instead of play them up. I wouldn't want to be in a position where the club can claim we have no money left to spend and fans just believe him. They'd still be playing the stadium repayment card if they could.

Also, I think a lot of people are leaning too heavily on this idea that Gazidis should walk as if his pride should be hurt and as if you need integrity for what he does. He's not as bad a Wenger. Not even close. Wenger is an athlete and I've laid out my argument before about why a sportsman like Wenger should walk away from the job. The lack of silverware and not being able to win should crush his professional pride. Gazidis is a suit. It's not the same. He could be a spineless, weasel of a man that only cares about himself and his goals. We've seen plenty of suits like that in the corporate world. But that doesn't mean such people can't do the job that's required of them. They're more than willing to schmooze and scheme their way to the top for self interest. So why would a man with with that sort of character walk away from Arsenal after losing one power battle with Wenger?

Forget the fans. Even if he's only looking out for number one, walking away with a bloody nose doesn't make sense, especially if Wenger's stupid enough to still want to work with him after seeing him try to slip the knife in his back. Walking away may prove a point to some fans, but it might not. I'm sure he'd be accused of cowardice if handing in his notice either way. But the point is, we don't need a nice guy in that role. If he's prepared to look weak one day to come back strong the next, it really doesn't matter if the purpose is to get one over Wenger and get him out.

Again, not saying this is all what I believe him to be, just thinking about the sort of slime that usually operate in that world.

I probably overstated it when I said fighting. Dissenting might be closer to the mark.

Why would Gazidis walk rather than weasel his way to the top? Because he's already supposedly at the top. The senior executive at the club. And even with all his weasel ways he ends up impotent. I've seen execs quit just for having their decision questioned in a meeting. The corporate world is all about pecking order and deference. Once the founder has gone you tend to get left with shitty functionaries who know how to steer a ship but wouldn't have the first clue how to build one or repair it when it breaks down. If Gazidis has tried yet failed then that failure has to be judged as absolute. He's demonstrated he'll never have the influence to do anything significant so he's literally pointless. He made his play and came up short, apparently against a saint of a man who loves the club and the people. Yeah right, is that the sort of man who prevails in these confrontations. The dirtiest, shittiest, double dealing scumbag tends to come out on top. Not a pride thing with Gazidis, it's a power thing. Plainly he has none so it would be better to get somebody else in who might be an even bigger cunt than Wenger. Worth a try. Instead they have chosen to present a pathetic unified front, as if their spats in the media never happened. Imagine if Gazidis had said, well I tried but that cunt Wenger won't listen to reason and is against all notion of change, wouldn't that be some pretty nice ammo to pound the two bastards who remain? And of course Gazidis would have to resign if he told the truth. But he wants the cash, he's prepared to admit the job is bigger than him in return for it and that he's Wenger's bitch. His choice. Castrated. Loser. I guess he fits in now.

[Niall_Quinn]

They slaughtered Xhaka Khan on the Tuesday Club. All true though. Worth listening to the latest Arseblog podcast. Has Tayo from the Tuesday Club joined along with the yankee, Elliot from Arsenal Vision Podcast. Elliot made some great points from what I've heard so far.

3 games in a row. Identical mistakes. That's a terminal problem, especially under a manager like Wenger. We paid more for this guy than we initially bid for Lemar. Wenger claims he understand value?