Random Arsenal Shit (When it's not worth starting a thread)

[Niall_Quinn]

You were doing quite well then before you descended into your usual nonsense.

But yes, actually, how the fans feel about a trophy win is relevant. If we won the Milk Cup I'd think "good" but I wouldn't be gloating about it at work on Monday or buying commemorative T-shirts. Not that I really did that when we won the FA Cup but it gave us all a warm fuzzy feeling -including you and Zim even though you're now pretending you don't care about it. It shouldn't be the limit of our ambitions but it still put a smile on my face when we beat Chelsea. Should that be the limit of our ambitions? No. Did I see the season as a roaring success when we won it? Not really. But it put a silver lining on it in a way the milk cup win would not have.

Except it's not my nonsense, is it? It's yours. Ain't me reminding people they cheered when we won a cup. I don't bother because it seems bloody obvious to me. Just because people want that cock Wenger out doesn't mean they want the club to lose in an FA Cup final.

Lies again Letters. Who is pretending they didn't care about winning the FA Cup? I was there with the rest of them cheering when we won it. So what does that mean? Wenger is the bee's knees? That's a leap I can't make with you.

Basically you're saying what I'm saying. FA Cup? Cheers, I'm having that! Wenger? Out!

So why do you jump in all the time and pretend this guy is something he's not? He's definitely got a great FA Cup record. It would be silly to try to take that away from him. Just as it would be silly to try and claim he has anything other than a tragic title record over the last 10 years or an absolutely laughable European record in general. We make the judgements based on what he has at his disposal.

What did I say yesterday?
200 million quid for transfers over the last couple of years.
Total autonomy.

And we still at the level we were at 10 years ago, and soon to be at an even lower level when our key players walk out - on frees mind you?

If there's something impressive in all of this that deserves credit then point it out. I can't see it from where I'm standing.

[Niall_Quinn]

Joined protests instead of laughed, been more vocal, supported banners, boycotted.

Refrained from singing, "One Arsene Wenger", when a section of the fans tried to protest?

We know that Kroenke is the enemy of Arsenal. We know Wenger is the anchor around the club's neck. But it's not as well know that certain sections of the fanbase are subservient pricks who make matters worse whenever they fall on their knees and open their gobs in anticipation of Wenger cock.

[Cripps]

Except it's not my nonsense, is it? It's yours. Ain't me reminding people they cheered when we won a cup. I don't bother because it seems bloody obvious to me. Just because people want that cock Wenger out doesn't mean they want the club to lose in an FA Cup final.

Lies again Letters. Who is pretending they didn't care about winning the FA Cup? I was there with the rest of them cheering when we won it. So what does that mean? Wenger is the bee's knees? That's a leap I can't make with you.

Basically you're saying what I'm saying. FA Cup? Cheers, I'm having that! Wenger? Out!

So why do you jump in all the time and pretend this guy is something he's not? He's definitely got a great FA Cup record. It would be silly to try to take that away from him. Just as it would be silly to try and claim he has anything other than a tragic title record over the last 10 years or an absolutely laughable European record in general. We make the judgements based on what he has at his disposal.

What did I say yesterday?
200 million quid for transfers over the last couple of years.
Total autonomy.

And we still at the level we were at 10 years ago, and soon to be at an even lower level when our key players walk out - on frees mind you?

If there's something impressive in all of this that deserves credit then point it out. I can't see it from where I'm standing.

[Power n Glory]

98 too.

[Cripps]

Refrained from singing, "One Arsene Wenger", when a section of the fans tried to protest?

We know that Kroenke is the enemy of Arsenal. We know Wenger is the anchor around the club's neck. But it's not as well know that certain sections of the fanbase are subservient pricks who make matters worse whenever they fall on their knees and open their gobs in anticipation of Wenger cock.

[Letters]

Jesus Zim.

2002, 2003 and 2005.

[Letters]

Except it's not my nonsense, is it? It's yours.

No, this:

But if you get to the final, win it and get all excited about it, that makes it a huge trophy on par with the CL - bigger if you cream your pants on the day. And if you habitually get excited about winning several FA Cups, especially if you are a crusty old yank miser, a senile old French miser or a young, handsome and enthusiastic admirer of all thing Wenger regardless, then it logically follows winning the FA Cup is the be all and end all of competitive sport and a sure sign of greatness (to the exclusion of any other 100 foot high signs).

Is definitely your nonsense. It's another of your straw men arguments, arguing against a position which no-one takes. I honestly can't tell if you are dumb or just pretending to be.

Ain't me reminding people they cheered when we won a cup.

I'm reminding people who are now pretending they don't care about the FA Cup that they cheered when we won the Cup and even used it as part of their reasoning for approving of Wenger signing a new contract.

Lies again Letters. ... So what does that mean? Wenger is the bee's knees? That's a leap I can't make with you.

It's interesting you accuse me of lying and then later in the same line you lie about my position Wenger is the bees knees? Where have I said that? Yes, I'll argue against some of the more extreme nonsense about him, but him being "the worst manager in football" and "the bees knees" are not the only two options.

And we still at the level we were at 10 years ago, and soon to be at an even lower level when our key players walk out - on frees mind you?
If there's something impressive in all of this that deserves credit then point it out. I can't see it from where I'm standing.

Again, I've not said there is. Why not try debating what I actually am saying, not what you pretend I am when you know I'm not. And you have the audacity to call me a liar? Sheesh!

[Niall_Quinn]

That first paragraph you highlight is a parody of your position. It's not my position. It's your standard trench posture when anyone suggests the FA Cup is a second tier tournament, which of course it is. FA Cup is a second rate trophy? Ah, but you were pleased enough when we won it! QED Letters wins the Internet. So, you see, it is indeed your own ridiculous nonsense we are discussing here.

The thing you seem to miss is that not many people talk to you. What happens is, somebody makes a point and then you dive in and make some general statement about that somebody saying something different at a previous time. I suppose the implication is the person concerned is wrong now because they said something else previously. And because you tend to insert yourself into any debate that even mildly criticises Wenger, you use these tactics in an attempt to disprove each and every criticism of the bloke. For sure, I know you have a few stock phrases on hand to make it look like your defence is applied evenly. Yes he should be sacked, gobble, gobble, gobble, yes he should have done better, gobble, gobble, swallow. It's a pattern I'm sure everyone is familiar with. Along with the other habits and patterns, such as twisting context, stealing context and pushing it back on your protagonists, reflection techniques, and so on. The more people engage with you the more words you can steal from them for your purpose and the more sentences and paragraphs you have to selectively choose from and liberally distort. That's why I mean when I point out the fact you are a liar.

Then, when people do the same to you, and even exaggerate to make it clear what the intent is, you muster up your chutzpah and... call them a liar. I have to admit, it's entertaining.

But anyway, it seems very important to you that Wenger be considered an above average manager who somehow, despite his record, has done good work at the club in the last decade. Fine. Life's too short. I concur. Wenger is an above average manager who has done good work at the club during the last decade.

All that remains is for me to ask you a question.

Now that we agree, do you think we are fooling anyone else?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

[Cripps]

That first paragraph you highlight is a parody of your position. It's not my position. It's your standard trench posture when anyone suggests the FA Cup is a second tier tournament, which of course it is. FA Cup is a second rate trophy? Ah, but you were pleased enough when we won it! QED Letters wins the Internet. So, you see, it is indeed your own ridiculous nonsense we are discussing here.

The thing you seem to miss is that not many people talk to you. What happens is, somebody makes a point and then you dive in and make some general statement about that somebody saying something different at a previous time. I suppose the implication is the person concerned is wrong now because they said something else previously. And because you tend to insert yourself into any debate that even mildly criticises Wenger, you use these tactics in an attempt to disprove each and every criticism of the bloke. For sure, I know you have a few stock phrases on hand to make it look like your defence is applied evenly. Yes he should be sacked, gobble, gobble, gobble, yes he should have done better, gobble, gobble, swallow. It's a pattern I'm sure everyone is familiar with. Along with the other habits and patterns, such as twisting context, stealing context and pushing it back on your protagonists, reflection techniques, and so on. The more people engage with you the more words you can steal from them for your purpose and the more sentences and paragraphs you have to selectively choose from and liberally distort. That's why I mean when I point out the fact you are a liar.

Then, when people do the same to you, and even exaggerate to make it clear what the intent is, you muster up your chutzpah and... call them a liar. I have to admit, it's entertaining.

But anyway, it seems very important to you that Wenger be considered an above average manager who somehow, despite his record, has done good work at the club in the last decade. Fine. Life's too short. I concur. Wenger is an above average manager who has done good work at the club during the last decade.

All that remains is for me to ask you a question.

Now that we agree, do you think we are fooling anyone else?