Match reacton - Soton

[Niall_Quinn]

OK. I did. The full quote I found is this:

"The first trophy is to finish in the top four. And that's still possible. I believe finishing fourth is vital for us, so let's focus on that."

https://www.theguardian.com/football...l-fourth-place

Which is what you said. So fine. But note the date, Feb 2012. It was just after we'd gone out of the FA Cup, we were in the middle of a two leg tie in the CL and had been soundly beaten 4-0 in the first leg and we were 4th in the PL, miles off the top. And we had Chelsea, Newcastle (!) and Liverpool hot on our heels.

https://www.11v11.com/league-tables/...february-2012/

No actual trophies were possible at that stage of that season. So in that context the prioritisation of finishing top 4 made sense. Calling it a trophy, OK, that's a little silly. But you used that quote to make it sound like finishing top 4 is Wenger's absolute top priority. The quote I found is clearer about how he sees priorities overall. You used a quote out of context to "prove" your point, my quote shows your stance to be nonsense so you dismiss it as "meaningless". Easy to prove yourself right if you ignore or dismiss anything which shows you to be wrong.


It is not "defending" Wenger to say that top 4 is not his absolute top priority. It's just correcting an obviously incorrect assertion. I'd correct you if you said he's short. He isn't. That isn't defending him. It isn't laudable that he says his top priority is winning the league, that should be his priority. A more sensible discussion is how he is failing to make the best use of our considerable resources to achieve that.

That's why I posted up the image of us celebrating the Top 4 Trophy win - so there could be no doubt about contexts and the actual ambitions of this club.

Wenger has transformed us from a big club with big ambitions into a big club with small time ambitions. His goal is patently obvious and it's quite ridiculous to argue against the evidence. He boasts furiously about his Top 4 triumphs and hasn't taken any of the steps required to press on and achieve his so-called ambition to win titles and CLs. All words, almost no action. He took a couple of faltering steps away from his bullshit when he signed Ozil and Alexis. Of course look at how he handled that - sheer incompetence. Other than that, hot air. Anyone who believes him is as gullible as hell. Fool me once, fool me twice, fool me for fucking 10 years - get a grip! The man's a liar and his actions prove he has no intention of ever competing for the big prizes again. As such, he's unfit to be the manager of a club like Arsenal and, sure as hell, he wouldn't last a minute managing any other top club.

But let's carry on making excuses for him and parsing the finer details of his bullshit to provide him with favourable contexts. It's never Wenger, it's always the malcontent fans. And when we've defended him to the hilt we can casually chuck in, yeah he should be sacked, and we can get splinters up our arseholes from sitting so long on the fence.

[Özim]

That's why I posted up the image of us celebrating the Top 4 Trophy win - so there could be no doubt about contexts and the actual ambitions of this club.

Wenger has transformed us from a big club with big ambitions into a big club with small time ambitions. His goal is patently obvious and it's quite ridiculous to argue against the evidence. He boasts furiously about his Top 4 triumphs and hasn't taken any of the steps required to press on and achieve his so-called ambition to win titles and CLs. All words, almost no action. He took a couple of faltering steps away from his bullshit when he signed Ozil and Alexis. Of course look at how he handled that - sheer incompetence. Other than that, hot air. Anyone who believes him is as gullible as hell. Fool me once, fool me twice, fool me for fucking 10 years - get a grip! The man's a liar and his actions prove he has no intention of ever competing for the big prizes again. As such, he's unfit to be the manager of a club like Arsenal and, sure as hell, he wouldn't last a minute managing any other top club.

But let's carry on making excuses for him and parsing the finer details of his bullshit to provide him with favourable contexts. It's never Wenger, it's always the malcontent fans. And when we've defended him to the hilt we can casually chuck in, yeah he should be sacked, and we can get splinters up our arseholes from sitting so long on the fence.

Celebrating the "top 4 trophy" highlighted what a small time club we've become under Wenger, celebrating 4th as if we'd won the title, how embarrassing, but hey we qualified for the CL 20 million times (even if we did get utter hammered at the first sign of a decent team pretty often, but that was just to bad unfortunate, in reality the game should have ended after the 1st half of the Bayern game last season, we won that half, the 10-2 was just down to bad luck).