Match Reaction vs West Ham (away).

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

It's not even an argument, it's just a fact. Since 2006 there has been no steady decline, no spiral downwards.
That really isn't an opinion, the facts show that clearly.

But I take the point that other teams have improved while we've stood still which makes our top 4 place less assured. That said, there were years back in the day when the more hysterical posters said we would end up in mid-table or worse and that never happened. Quite amusing that those posters now pretend they've been vindicated after one year where we finished 5th by 2 points.
There is a worry if Ozil and Sanchez go though that we will be seriously lacking quality and if we haven't finished top 4 this year it will be hard to attract quality.

The doomsday scenarios aren’t really relevant

The argument is as stagnant as Arsenal’s premier league performances

The extent of the rot is unimportant but a slow dry rot has long set in

And that can be seen beyond points, look at the players we’ve bought in and have just slowly become more and more average. I don’t rate Xhaka or Ramsey but I don’t think they’d stink the place out the way they do under Wenger

You keep going on about losing Sanchez and Özil, well Ozil with the best will in the world is a luxury player for whom he simply cannot be bothered to put in a performance half the time. Sanchez mentally checked out in May, name me one solid performance from him all season?

Lacazette is going to become disillusioned about being underused and about the lack of service he gets from midfield

If it’s not decline, it’s Stephen Hawkins style stagnancy.....by all logic he should be dead by now and we should be more shambolic by league position than we’ve proved to be. We are held together by gaffer tape and gum.

[Marc Overmars]

Stagnation or decline, does it really matter when you're nowhere near being competitive either way? We've debated pretty much everything and now we're left with talking about how high or low we place on the shit scale. It's still shit guys!

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Do try responding to what I'm actually saying, not what you think I am. You asked for a graph, I provided one which shows a complete flat line since 2006.
Where has the decline been since then?

Like the old rotting oak tree we have somehow managed to stay upright against the breeze. Last year the breeze toppled us over and Wengers beloved pride and joy of the top four finish was spoilt (no that’s not saying that’s all he cares about, but he takes altogether far too much pride in it). Instead of planting a new tree we’ve hoisted up the old tree and placed rusty scaffolding around it.

[Gooner23]

Stagnation or decline, does it really matter when you're nowhere near being competitive either way? We've debated pretty much everything and now we're left with talking about how high or low we place on the shit scale. It's still shit guys!

Exactly right.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Stagnation or decline, does it really matter when you're nowhere near being competitive either way? We've debated pretty much everything and now we're left with talking about how high or low we place on the shit scale. It's still shit guys!

Spot on

[Cripps]

Goal post shifting in other words.

Notice how he starts off with:

2005 2nd 83 8
2006 4th 67 24
2007 4th 68 21
2008 3rd 83 4
2009 4th 72 18
2010 3rd 75 11
2011 4th 68 12
2012 3rd 70 19
2013 4th 73 16
2014 4th 79 7
2015 3rd 75 12
2016 2nd 71 10
2017 5th 75 18

Then drops 2005 out of the argument and talks about 2006 when he realises he's losing the argument

[Letters]

Stagnation or decline, does it really matter when you're nowhere near being competitive either way?
We've debated pretty much everything and now we're left with talking about how high or low we place on the shit scale. It's still shit guys!

That's a fair point. So what should we talk about?

[Letters]

2006 4th 67 24
2017 5th 75 18

In decline


Am I doing this right?

[Marc Overmars]

That's a fair point. So what should we talk about?

No idea. There probably won't be anything interesting to talk about until Wenger calls it a day.

[Niall_Quinn]

Stagnation or decline, does it really matter when you're nowhere near being competitive either way? We've debated pretty much everything and now we're left with talking about how high or low we place on the shit scale. It's still shit guys!

It's only Letters tbf. He's just doing his job.