Sp*rs match reaction

[Niall_Quinn]

Come on let’s stop with this trying to rewrite history just because Wenger should have gone years ago

You don’t win three premier league titles by dumb luck, just as in the same way you don’t lose 14 games from 26 on the road just as a result of bad luck.

It’s daft to suggest he was never a very good manager.

Van Gaal in his day was a better manager than Wenger but at Man United he was terrible, every dog has his day.

Wenger could only have achieved what he achieved at that particular moment in time. A lot of his legacy hinges on being in the right place at the right time. One-off opportunities existed that fit his philosophy perfectly. Fitness, clean living, technical excellence when none existed in the English game, high energy football and energy conservation, diet, and so on and so on. And extensive international scouting networks.

All these things have become the norm now. Wenger was first on the scene so he'll always be credited, and rightly so, for taking the game forward. The advantages he brought were essentially lifestyle and technology shifts that gave him a competitive edge as a result. As soon as his methods were copied elsewhere those advantages disappeared and it was then Wenger was exposed as having no acumen for what happens once you get your well fed, well excercised, fit, powerful and healthy players onto the pitch. This is where great players like Adams and Campbell and Henry and Vieira Gilberto and Bergkamp and Pires carried him.

And then - absolute disaster. Wenger decided he was up to the task of emulating the football being played in Spain. Absolute farce ensued and has been with us ever since. And the real neglect has been Wenger's inability to admit his monumental mistake. He's persisted long past the point a fool would continue. He's a zealot now, worshipping himself. He's right, everyone else is wrong and no amount of evidence will convince him otherwise. This is why I say he has mental problems.

[HCZ]

Wenger could only have achieved what he achieved at that particular moment in time. A lot of his legacy hinges on being in the right place at the right time. One-off opportunities existed that fit his philosophy perfectly. Fitness, clean living, technical excellence when none existed in the English game, high energy football and energy conservation, diet, and so on and so on. And extensive international scouting networks.

All these things have become the norm now. Wenger was first on the scene so he'll always be credited, and rightly so, for taking the game forward. The advantages he brought were essentially lifestyle and technology shifts that gave him a competitive edge as a result. As soon as his methods were copied elsewhere those advantages disappeared and it was then Wenger was exposed as having no acumen for what happens once you get your well fed, well excercised, fit, powerful and healthy players onto the pitch. This is where great players like Adams and Campbell and Henry and Vieira Gilberto and Bergkamp and Pires carried him.

And then - absolute disaster. Wenger decided he was up to the task of emulating the football being played in Spain. Absolute farce ensued and has been with us ever since. And the real neglect has been Wenger's inability to admit his monumental mistake. He's persisted long past the point a fool would continue. He's a zealot now, worshipping himself. He's right, everyone else is wrong and no amount of evidence will convince him otherwise. This is why I say he has mental problems.

You could make that point about literally anyone or anything

Every manager who has success is someone of their time. The ones that stand alone are the ones that adapt and actually in that sense this is why someone like Mourinho is not as good as Ferguson.

[Niall_Quinn]

You could make that point about literally anyone or anything

Every manager who has success is someone of their time. The ones that stand alone are the ones that adapt and actually in that sense this is why someone like Mourinho is not as good as Ferguson.

How so? How many managers are there that have so little ability to organise a team or devise effective tactics? And if there are any, how long have they lasted?

[HCZ]

How so? How many managers are there that have so little ability to organise a team or devise effective tactics? And if there are any, how long have they lasted?

I’m talking about people who have had success being in the right place at the right time

[HCZ]

Pretty much all the George Graham back four have agreed that Wengers coaching gave them more years in the game than they would have had otherwise.

What’s lacking now is in game management and someone whose managerial style isn’t ten-twenty years out of date.

Wenger prices himself on treating his players like men but unfortunately whilst that will work with some players the majority of football players now are overgrown kids with no sense of personal responsibility, they crave the discipline and being told what to do and without it they are lost.

Wenger can’t do that, and that’s why he’s practically useless now.

[Özim]

Pretty much all the George Graham back four have agreed that Wengers coaching gave them more years in the game than they would have had otherwise..

Noone is denying that, but he also benefit massively from these players, he had leaders, he inherited them and they passed on that winning at all cost mentality to subsequent teams, he's publicly stated he doesn't believe that captains are important, he doesn't value leadership so would have never signed players like them, consequently he would have never won the trophies he did.

As NQ said, right place, right time, had he gone to Spurs or Liverpool for example he wouldn't have achieved this success as they never had that solid foundation to start with.

I'd question his management ability, it's plain to see this isn't of a very high level, far too many flaws to be.

[HCZ]

Noone is denying that, but he also benefit massively from these players, he had leaders, he inherited them and they passed on that winning at all cost mentality to subsequent teams, he's publicly stated he doesn't believe that captains are important, he doesn't value leadership so would have never signed players like them, consequently he would have never won the trophies he did.

As NQ said, right place, right time, had he gone to Spurs or Liverpool for example he wouldn't have achieved this success as they never had that solid foundation to start with.

I'd question his management ability, it's plain to see this isn't of a very high level, far too many flaws to be.

I’d turn that around and say how many managers would have come to Arsenal built the team in the way he did and enjoyed the success he did between say 1996 and 2004.

Not a great manager tactically but the fact remained is he took players that weren’t making it at other clubs and improved them, and in the process broke all kinds of records.

[Özim]

Wenger could only have achieved what he achieved at that particular moment in time. A lot of his legacy hinges on being in the right place at the right time. One-off opportunities existed that fit his philosophy perfectly. Fitness, clean living, technical excellence when none existed in the English game, high energy football and energy conservation, diet, and so on and so on. And extensive international scouting networks.

All these things have become the norm now. Wenger was first on the scene so he'll always be credited, and rightly so, for taking the game forward. The advantages he brought were essentially lifestyle and technology shifts that gave him a competitive edge as a result. As soon as his methods were copied elsewhere those advantages disappeared and it was then Wenger was exposed as having no acumen for what happens once you get your well fed, well excercised, fit, powerful and healthy players onto the pitch. This is where great players like Adams and Campbell and Henry and Vieira Gilberto and Bergkamp and Pires carried him.

And then - absolute disaster. Wenger decided he was up to the task of emulating the football being played in Spain. Absolute farce ensued and has been with us ever since. And the real neglect has been Wenger's inability to admit his monumental mistake. He's persisted long past the point a fool would continue. He's a zealot now, worshipping himself. He's right, everyone else is wrong and no amount of evidence will convince him otherwise. This is why I say he has mental problems.

Completely agree with this, as you say right place, right time, not so much about him being a great manager, as I've always said he's been a very lucky manager, although that finally seems to have run out.

If these successes hadn't been simply down to some advantage over the competition and luck he would have repeated some of it by now, he hasn't.

[Power n Glory]

Speaking of not blaming the players, Petr Cech needs a punch in the face for saying we lost the game because of the chances Lacazette missed. Cuntish behaviour.

Have a word with your fucking defence, Petr Cech! How long has it been since you kept a clean sheet? How comes he hasn't did shit about Kos and Mustafi not marking Harry Kane? How many more games must it go on for? We didn't deserve a point from that game and as much as loss hurts, Wenger didn't deserve to be saved by a player he's managed poorly from day one.

I hate the manager but some of the players need shooting. Fuck em.

[Özim]

Speaking of not blaming the players, Petr Cech needs a punch in the face for saying we lost the game because of the chances Lacazette missed. Cuntish behaviour.

Have a word with your fucking defence, Petr Cech! How long has it been since you kept a clean sheet? How comes he hasn't did shit about Kos and Mustafi not marking Harry Kane? How many more games must it go on for? We didn't deserve a point from that game and as much as loss hurts, Wenger didn't deserve to be saved by a player he's managed poorly from day one.

I hate the manager but some of the players need shooting. Fuck em.

Cech has been asbolute rubbish all season, his kicking is awful, his penalty saving is terrible, he's made countless errors this season as well, was suppose to save us 15 points, instead he's probably lost us 15.

Chelsea reject to be honest, after his head injury was never the same player and Chelsea found someone better and then got rid, hope we replace him with someone decent in the summer.