Christ you're an idiot.Originally Posted by Özim
Got sacked by Dortmund didn't he? Also got embarrassed by Liverpool in the Europa league.
As for Aubmeyang, Klopp signed him and he scored a hatful of goals before Tuchel ever got his hands on him, 25 in his previous season. Tuchel is one of those overhyped guys who achieved nothing and yet for some reason is flavour of the day, a tactically astute manager wouldn't have seen his side lose a game to Liverpool when they needed 3 goals to go through. The guy inherited a top quality squad from Klopp, he did a mediocre job with it, crashing out of the CL then embarrassed in the Europa.
If Bayern didn't exist Dortmund would have won the CL as well, but they do and that's what you're up against, the fact is their record under him in Europe was poor and even domestically it wasn't great, like I said ending up third 18 points behind Bayern pretty poor IMO, even the season before they were 10 points behind.
Overrated doesn't begin to describe him, he's a nobody that got lucky and got a chance at one of Germany's biggest clubs and messed that up big time, the guy achieves nothing and yet is apparently the 2nd coming to some, do me a favour
Do you even know why Tuchel got sacked? It wasn't due to performances - it was three days after the guy won them their first trophy in five years. It was because he fell out spectacularly with the management team for several reasons:
- He felt they didn't do enough to defend the club after the bomb attack (getting the fixture replayed)
- He was livid after they sold three of their best player the summer before (Hummels, Mkhi & Gundogen) despite getting assurances that two at most would only depart
- His now much publicised clashes with Sven (who he felt was interfering too much)
Honestly Zim, you constantly (and rightly) bleat on about Wenger being a placid manager who doesn't do enough to demand success and yet you're attacking a manager who was abrasive enough to push back when his best players got sold from under his nose, reducing their competitivity.
And why do you keep saying his record in Europe is poor? He's not Wenger who's been in Europe for years - he's only been in it for two years. First season EL QF and lost to Liverpool despite seemingly having the match buried (ten minute brainfart at Anfield - it happens). Second season QF of the CL and lost to an excellent Monaco team (Mbapee, Lemar, Mendy, Silva, Bakakyo etc ..... all of them were poached by the top European clubs after that) after their team coach got bombed before a match.
The likes of Bayern don't go hunting for poor managers PnG. And neither do PSG & Chelsea who are the other teams he's also linked with.
He could have done better in the second season against Ancelotti's Bayern but that was the season where his three best players sold from under his nose and still despite that was able to perform admirably with him bringing through players like Dembele. Not much else he could do in the first season when he had Pep's Bayern accumulating points at the same rate City are right now and they finished second with the points tally that most teams usually win the league with.
And maybe he won't be able to overcome them, especially City given their financial might, but at the very least we'd be competing against them which would be a whole of a lot better than our current situation where we're basically a joke. He'd be a good manager and the only one I'd take over him would be Simeone.
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