Wenger's future, possible extension and possible... departure?

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Thing is I don't care, had he been successful you can bet your bottom dollar he wouldn't have got the sack, they sacked him for their own reasons and clearly didn't value him enough not to, because as I said before he's totally unproven, no record of success and inherited an already top team from Klopp, a team who had largely down very well in the CL.

Stop being such a ridiculous man. It was literally a matter of public record the bad blood between Tuchel and the management team, even to the extent where Tuchel banned Sven from the training ground and apparently didn't even speak to him for almost a year. Why do you keep ignoring this just to push your head cannon?

Read Zorc & Watzke's comments on his dismissal,

"worn ourselves out during this time in our dealings with the coaching team."

"It's about basic values such as trust, respect, teamwork and communication skills, about authority and identity. It's about reliability and loyalty.

"Unfortunately, we couldn't see a basis for continued work together built on trust with a successful outlook in the current personnel constellation."


The breakdown in relationship made his position untenable.

And Klopp nearly got the same team relegated the season before so yeah that's not true either. Unlike Tuchel, Klopp struggled to cope with Dortmund's best players being poached season after season.

As for your point about beng close to Bayern, 10 and 18 points isn't close in my book, close would be within a few points maybe but not 10 or 18 and his current record if very relevant, it's all we have to judge him by therefore what he's achieved is important and right now it's not impressive at all.

He got the same points tally in the first season that a lot of teams that win the Bundesliga (like Klopp's Dortmund team) get. What's so difficult to understand & appreciate about that?

Bayern being unbelievable for a few seasons doesn't change that fact.

As for other clubs wanting him, so what, I couldn't care less, as PNG said they have infinite resources and mickey mouse could win the league with them.

Big, well run clubs don't appoint mickey mouse managers.

I've noticed how some people get hold of the names of some unproven nobodies (whether it be players or managers) and then become somewhat fixated on the fact they are the best thing since sliced bread, remember people going nuts over Isaksson and he proved rubbish, howabout we let someone prove themselves and have some success before we start to think they're a gift from the gods, remember Moyes, he was flavour of the day once upon the time and then employed by Man U, we all know what happened next.

I love you absoutlist logic. Because some people were wrong about some managers/players in the past that means I'm wrong here.

As for the football, Dortmund played amazing football before he arrived under Kloppp (much like Liverpool do) so let's not go overboard, Klopp built Dortmund, getting them to CL finals and challenging Bayern, Tuchel just took over an already well established club with top players.

He took over a club in crisis that was at one point on the verge of getting relegated by Klopp and where the players were literally having to go and publicly apologise to the fans to calm them down.

He turned around that mess in the space of a year.

Again no, Dortmund have been a top side over the years, they had a dip then Klopp brought them back into the limelight, player wise they've had Germany's 2ns best team for years, not coming 2nd is a bad season.

I'll further add that this doesn't counter the point I made to Blink.

Yes Dortmund are the second biggest team in Germany (Schalke the third) but that doesn't mean the gap in terms of resources between them and Bayern isn't enormous!! Their best player kept getting stolen by Bayern for several years in a row against their will (Lewandowski, Gotze, Hummels etc) - that simply doesn't happen here because there's more equality. It's rare to see Chelsea/Utd forced to lose their best player to City!

Stop being dense.

Moreover the top managers all build teams who can defend as well as attack, not interested in getting a manager who is defensively naive because you'll never win anything of note with a dodgy defence, over a decade of that should be conclusive proof, Guardiola etc build teams with good defences, that's one of the reasons they win stuff, when the attack doesn't play well they can still grind out results.

lol Pep's not a particularly great defensive manager. He gets around it by spending big on competent defenders (Laporte, Mendy, Walker etc).

Whether you rate Enrique or not and I'm not a big fan, he won the treble including the CL which is a much better achievement than anything Tuchel has done, so right now Enrique is certainly better, Tuchel hasn't proved anything right now.

Did you see the Barca team that he had? Neymar, Messi, Suarez, Rakitic, Iniesta ....... that's far better than anything that Tuchel had to work with. The guy had probably the best front three in the past decade. It's not a fair comparison of managerial abilities.

The fact that he failed in his second season despite the abundance of riches he had isn't a good reflection for him.