Summer transfer joy and happiness

[Penguin]

Toure is a player approaching 35 years old and has won almost everything there is to win in football. Two La Liga titles, Copa del Rey, Champions League, two Premier League titles, FA Cup, League Cup, African Cup of Nations.... Toure is not another Ozil.

Ozil is still 29 years old, still hasn't won the Champs League and has only ever won the league with Real Madrid. The World Cup is a great achievement but for a player of his ability, I have no idea why he's downing tools now when there is still so much to play for. Toure is approaching retirement age and more injury prone. He's had a great career and has made the most of it. Nothing like Ozil.

I meant he's another Ozil in terms of his attitude and laziness on the pitch. MO quite rightly said we don't need any more of those. We won't get anywhere no matter what manager takes the reins.

But even in terms of trophies won there's nothing between them apart from the Champions League. It's pointless comparing what they've done in the Premier league because all that proves is that Toure made a better career choice than Ozil. Do you really think Toure would have won the league if he joined Arsenal?

[Power n Glory]

I meant he's another Ozil in terms of his attitude and laziness on the pitch. MO quite rightly said we don't need any more of those. We won't get anywhere no matter what manager takes the reins.

But even in terms of trophies won there's nothing between them apart from the Champions League. It's pointless comparing what they've done in the Premier league because all that proves is that Toure made a better career choice than Ozil. Do you really think Toure would have won the league if he joined Arsenal?

You may want to look a little closer at what they've won. Toure has won league titles for three different clubs and has 2 La Liga titles and 2 Prem titles (I'm discounting this year's title under Pep).

Ozil has only ever won the league once and that's with Real Madrid in 2012. I can't understand why he thinks it's ok to take time off at 29 years old with that record.

Would we have won the league with Toure? Maybe. He's the sort of CM we've needed for years. But that's besides the point. Most players in Ozil's position leave and don't sign new contracts if the club can't match their sporting ambition. Henry, Cesc, RVP, Sanchez....Ozil signing a new deal and then downing tools not too long after ink has dried is something else. I wouldn't put him in the same category as Yaya Toure.

[Penguin]

I think we're both arguing about different things. I'm not trying to compare their careers, I'm comparing their play styles on the pitch.

You may want to look a little closer at what they've won. Toure has won league titles for three different clubs and has 2 La Liga titles and 2 Prem titles (I'm discounting this year's title under Pep).

Ozil has only ever won the league once and that's with Real Madrid in 2012. I can't understand why he thinks it's ok to take time off at 29 years old with that record.

That's not a fair comparison because Ozil hasn't played for a club capable of winning league titles apart from Real Madrid. Even Real's title in 2012 came at a time when Barca were by far and away the dominant team in the World.

Yaya won titles for three clubs - Barca, Man City and Olympiakos. Barca speak for themselves, Man City bought the league and Olympiakos (just googled it) were already champions when he joined and won the league another 3 times in a row after he left. I'm not belittling his contributions to those title wins but he was at clubs capable of winning with or without him. Ozil on the other hand played for Schalke, Werder Bremen and Arsenal.

Would we have won the league with Toure? Maybe. He's the sort of CM we've needed for years. But that's besides the point. Most players in Ozil's position leave and don't sign new contracts if the club can't match their sporting ambition. Henry, Cesc, RVP, Sanchez....Ozil signing a new deal and then downing tools not too long after ink has dried is something else. I wouldn't put him in the same category as Yaya Toure.

Not sure about that. CM has never been the only problem area. We went three or four years with Giroud as our main striker and our defence has been a joke since 2004. Then there's the keepers, the tactics, Ramsey on the wing, Sanogo, Gervinho. Forget Toure, we wouldn't have had a chance even if we had Messi.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

'Talks with his representatives' (Jean Seri) whatever the hell that means, also this has the yellow bar treatment on SSN also.

http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...potential-deal

Who?

[Marc Overmars]

Heard the name a lot in recent transfer windows.

No idea if he's any good but I'm all for new CM options though.

[Niall_Quinn]

'Talks with his representatives' (Jean Seri) whatever the hell that means, also this has the yellow bar treatment on SSN also.

http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...potential-deal

Who?

Apparently a very good but miniature CM. This might mean Ramsey is going.

[GP]

We were linked with Seri last year.

All I know of him is he's 5 foot 5

[Niall_Quinn]

We were linked with Seri last year.

All I know of him is he's 5 foot 5

In high heels.

[Master Splinter]

A Big Black DM.

Who's not big.

Or a DM.

What's the point of him?

Arteta already off to a dreadful start.

[I am invisible]

I'd be surprised if we weren't seriously sniffing around Max Meyer on a free? Wasn't that keen on him before - sounded like another lightweight AM - but apparently Tedesco has reinvented him as a deep-lying playmaker this year, and he's really taken to it...

https://www.bundesliga.com/en/news/B...sco-474104.jsp

https://www.football.london/arsenal-...halke-14230237

Comparisons to Xabi Alonso and Santi Cazorla? Sounds like something we could do with, assuming they're accurate.