And what does that have to do with his managerial ability? Zero. So it's an even bigger gamble. I get those talking about lack of experience but the above makes no sense.Originally Posted by Özim
And what does that have to do with his managerial ability? Zero. So it's an even bigger gamble. I get those talking about lack of experience but the above makes no sense.
Arrigo Sacchi was always the classic example - they guy used to be a shoe salesman before he became a football manager? Never played professional football either - just went straight in to managing Parma for 2 years and then put together the greatest Milan side of all time.
More recently there's guys like Nagelsmann - everyone's looking at him now and saying "well, he does at least have 2 years experience", but when Hoffenheim first took him on he was 28 and had no managerial experience whatsoever. So far he's rocked out a CL finish in both of the seasons that he's been in charge.
Same story with Tedesco at Shalke - no managerial experience before he was hired at the start of the season, and he's just finished 2nd.
These examples might be in the minority right now, but I honestly think this is going to be the future for most top clubs, and the beginning of the end for the Galactico manager (along with their egos, their huge teams of assistsants and their equally massive lists of demands)...
I've been seeing a lot of fans rewriting Arteta's playing career. Because they didn't want him as manager (understandable) they have been trashing him across the board, including his playing career. Things have veered wildly from reality now. Arteta was, in fact (and you can find the numbers), and excellent midfielder and a model professional. He could always be relied upon to step up in pressure situations. Wenger was the problem - again. Arteta was far more creative than Wenger allowed him to be. His role was tip tap merchant supreme, keeping possession, keeping the ball moving. The sort of stuff we've all come to hate about our style of play. And now we see Xhaka doing the same thing. And we all think he's a shit player too. Not true. He's been Wengerised as well.
Maybe many fans didn't want Arteta here, but it's very unfair to kick him in the teeth for his years of dependable service. And he was far, far, far away from being our worst captain. Plenty of other candidates for that, including guys who showed no loyalty to the club whatsoever.
Good bloke is Arteta. Served the club well. Things haven't worked out for him in terms of the manager's spot, but I don't see how that becomes an open invitation for fans to start crucifying him and talking shit about his career.
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Sorry NQ you are the one rewriting history here. Arteta was an AM at both Rangers and Everton. Quite good esp at Everton. By the time he had got to us he was no longer athletic enough to do that role. Wenger as his wont was starting his in love affair with the Wilshere Ramsey combo and stuffed Arteta in the DM position, He was wholly unsuitable for the role. Unathletic and spectacularly non aggressive. He became slower and slower as the years went by and became a bloody liability. He would tug and foul his opposition and gave away numerous freekicks in dangerous positions every match. But Wenger was loyal and kept him on made him captain and he played most games even when we were in dire straits in the league. I would despair when he was ever put on. His career with us was one long dirge of inadequacy.
The only thing he was very good at was taking pens and missed a crucial one once when we could have drawn a game which we then lost, IIRC
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Arteta was bang average and I said that even when he was playing for us. Just a more professional looking, professional speaking Denilson.
He was limited in his play, slow and not dynamic.
An 'excellent' midfielder? Is that really the bar for excellence?
Will never forget the sight of Barkley running rings around him and Arteta chasing shadows
That's my point, Wenger played him in that role. And he did exactly what was asked of him. As boring as it all was, he was one of the best in the squad at retaining the ball - Wenger's pet attribute - and he was a highly accurate passer, even if he wasn't allowed to be ambitious with the ball. I'm not saying he was the best we ever had, I'm saying the fans making up shit about him now are having to defend their toy throwing when they thought he was favourite for the manager's role, rather than telling it like it was.
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and what managerial ability does Arteta have? He's never managed a club, he's just a coach, even Henry is an assistant for Belgium and is being praised by the players he's working with.
Point is neither have managed, but I prefer Henry, reckon he'd command more respect too, it's not a bigger gamble at all, Arteta is just as much if not more of a gamble, as I said where is the proof he's any good? Guardiola has been a success at every club he's been at and Arteta wasn't there before City, the way I see it Arteta wasn't that important to City's success at all, Pep would have done it with or without him.
Spot on, always thought he was lightweight and average for us, never good enough and was thrilled when we finally got rid, really really disappointing signing in my eyes.Arteta was bang average and I said that even when he was playing for us. Just a more professional looking, professional speaking Denilson.
He was limited in his play, slow and not dynamic.
An 'excellent' midfielder? Is that really the bar for excellence?
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