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    Isn't it more like the them, the players shooing their demented Grandma out of the public eye and back into her retirement home after pulling her granny knickers over her head and running around saying in a sinister voice, 'I've still got it'....

    At least from the way you speak these days NQ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    I think we do now, but those new financial deals which allow us to do that have only been in place a couple of years. Even now we can't go mental and spent £100m in a summer like City or Chelsea could. IMO we should be closer to those two, but it's not a disgrace to finish below them.
    The bloke is good at buying some technically brilliant players, even without megabucks. And had he not ignored the bleeding obvious over the years, money wouldn't have been the huge handicap you say it is.

    The money thing (whilst I lauded him for CL on a shoestring) is a complete myth now, backed up by what we're still seeing. And I don't think City etc have that big an advantage anymore as there are only so many players you can buy...they still have clichy FFS.

    The stink comes from Wenger hallmarks over each season since The Invincibles.

    Poor tactics and prep. Poor injury record. Poor man-management. Failure to buy where it is comepletely obvious it is necessary.

    He's beyond defending mate.
    Last edited by LDG; 27-02-2015 at 06:07 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LDG View Post
    The bloke is good at buying some technically brilliant players, even without megabucks. And had he not ignored the bleeding obvious over the years, money wouldn't have been the huge handicap you say it is.

    The money thing (whilst I lauded him for CL on a shoestring) is a complete myth now, backed up by what we're still seeing. And I don't think City etc have that big an advantage anymore as there are only so many players you can buy...they still have clichy FFS.

    The stink comes from Wenger hallmarks over each season since The Invincibles.

    Poor tactics and prep. Poor injury record. Poor man-management. Failure to buy where it is comepletely obvious it is necessary.

    He's beyond defending mate.


    With the new financial era Wenger has run out of excuses to hide behind.

    I don't expect us to win the league, no one has the right to trophies. But I do expect us to be challenging. We're nowhere near that and it's not good enough.

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    I'm not sure what you mean by 'the money thing'. Money and success are highly correlated in football these days. I'm not even sure I can be bothered backing that up or debating it, just look at where the trophies are ending up. And before anyone pipes up with counter-examples yes, of course there will be counter-examples because there are often fine lines in football, it's not completely deterministic, but there is a clear trend. Chelsea hadn't won the title for what, 50 years before Abramovic came along. City were in the Championship not that long ago, now they're champions. And they're the current top 2 in the table. You do the 'math'. With our squad and resources though, we should be closer.

    Wenger has never been able to get us to triumph over better sides, when we were winning trophies left, right and centre it was because we were better than everyone else - arguably even then that side should have won more, we were ridiculously good.

    Wenger has his flaws, obviously, but so will the next manager and while we do need to move on from Wenger let's not pretend that we'll be sweeping all before us when the next manager takes over. Unless Financial Fair Play has any bite it will always be difficult to compete with billionaire backed clubs. Fergie did it but he's the GOAT. No-one else has managed it with any consistency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    I'm not sure what you mean by 'the money thing'. Money and success are highly correlated in football these days. I'm not even sure I can be bothered backing that up or debating it, just look at where the trophies are ending up. And before anyone pipes up with counter-examples yes, of course there will be counter-examples because there are often fine lines in football, it's not completely deterministic, but there is a clear trend. Chelsea hadn't won the title for what, 50 years before Abramovic came along. City were in the Championship not that long ago, now they're champions. And they're the current top 2 in the table. You do the 'math'. With our squad and resources though, we should be closer.

    Wenger has never been able to get us to triumph over better sides, when we were winning trophies left, right and centre it was because we were better than everyone else - arguably even then that side should have won more, we were ridiculously good.

    Wenger has his flaws, obviously, but so will the next manager and while we do need to move on from Wenger let's not pretend that we'll be sweeping all before us when the next manager takes over. Unless Financial Fair Play has any bite it will always be difficult to compete with billionaire backed clubs. Fergie did it but he's the GOAT. No-one else has managed it with any consistency.
    Of course they are highly correlated. I don't think anyone doubts that.

    And there is a distinct possibility that we could do worse under new management.

    But that isn't the point. The point, is that with or without money, Wenger, through his own means, had the chance to win the league on a number of occasions. But, through his own means, he also bungled it all with bells on. Over and over again. The same mistakes.

    That's not forgivable. Therefore, the money thing isn't relevant in this case....
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    Since 2013 I believe we've spent over 100m net. There's obviously a correlation between money and success but I'm not really sure this is a path we should be going down anymore given our recent outlay and shortcomings as a team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Overmars View Post
    Since 2013 I believe we've spent over 100m net. There's obviously a correlation between money and success but I'm not really sure this is a path we should be going down anymore given our recent outlay and shortcomings as a team.
    There is certainly no excuse for being as crappy as we've been this year, that is true.

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    If you can't find a way to compete with this -> https://flic.kr/p/rameSS

    Move on and let somebody else have a go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    If you can't find a way to compete with this -> https://flic.kr/p/rameSS

    Move on and let somebody else have a go.
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    If you can't find a way to compete with this -> https://flic.kr/p/rameSS

    Move on and let somebody else have a go.
    BLAAAAAAAMMMMM!!!!!

    Chuck Kos in there and that's four world class players. Build a decent squad around that and apply some tactics, you're good to go.

    Wenget is finished, defending him at this point is just moronic.
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