Wenger Referendum: Yes Or No

[Letters]

I'm not sure what you mean by 'the money thing'. Money and success are highly correlated in football these days. I'm not even sure I can be bothered backing that up or debating it, just look at where the trophies are ending up. And before anyone pipes up with counter-examples yes, of course there will be counter-examples because there are often fine lines in football, it's not completely deterministic, but there is a clear trend. Chelsea hadn't won the title for what, 50 years before Abramovic came along. City were in the Championship not that long ago, now they're champions. And they're the current top 2 in the table. You do the 'math'. With our squad and resources though, we should be closer.

Wenger has never been able to get us to triumph over better sides, when we were winning trophies left, right and centre it was because we were better than everyone else - arguably even then that side should have won more, we were ridiculously good.

Wenger has his flaws, obviously, but so will the next manager and while we do need to move on from Wenger let's not pretend that we'll be sweeping all before us when the next manager takes over. Unless Financial Fair Play has any bite it will always be difficult to compete with billionaire backed clubs. Fergie did it but he's the GOAT. No-one else has managed it with any consistency.

[LDG]

I'm not sure what you mean by 'the money thing'. Money and success are highly correlated in football these days. I'm not even sure I can be bothered backing that up or debating it, just look at where the trophies are ending up. And before anyone pipes up with counter-examples yes, of course there will be counter-examples because there are often fine lines in football, it's not completely deterministic, but there is a clear trend. Chelsea hadn't won the title for what, 50 years before Abramovic came along. City were in the Championship not that long ago, now they're champions. And they're the current top 2 in the table. You do the 'math'. With our squad and resources though, we should be closer.

Wenger has never been able to get us to triumph over better sides, when we were winning trophies left, right and centre it was because we were better than everyone else - arguably even then that side should have won more, we were ridiculously good.

Wenger has his flaws, obviously, but so will the next manager and while we do need to move on from Wenger let's not pretend that we'll be sweeping all before us when the next manager takes over. Unless Financial Fair Play has any bite it will always be difficult to compete with billionaire backed clubs. Fergie did it but he's the GOAT. No-one else has managed it with any consistency.

Of course they are highly correlated. I don't think anyone doubts that.

And there is a distinct possibility that we could do worse under new management.

But that isn't the point. The point, is that with or without money, Wenger, through his own means, had the chance to win the league on a number of occasions. But, through his own means, he also bungled it all with bells on. Over and over again. The same mistakes.

That's not forgivable. Therefore, the money thing isn't relevant in this case....

[Marc Overmars]

Since 2013 I believe we've spent over 100m net. There's obviously a correlation between money and success but I'm not really sure this is a path we should be going down anymore given our recent outlay and shortcomings as a team.

[Letters]

Since 2013 I believe we've spent over 100m net. There's obviously a correlation between money and success but I'm not really sure this is a path we should be going down anymore given our recent outlay and shortcomings as a team.

There is certainly no excuse for being as crappy as we've been this year, that is true.

[Niall_Quinn]

If you can't find a way to compete with this -> https://flic.kr/p/rameSS

Move on and let somebody else have a go.

[LDG]

If you can't find a way to compete with this -> https://flic.kr/p/rameSS

Move on and let somebody else have a go.

[Maestro]

If you can't find a way to compete with this -> https://flic.kr/p/rameSS

Move on and let somebody else have a go.

BLAAAAAAAMMMMM!!!!!

Chuck Kos in there and that's four world class players. Build a decent squad around that and apply some tactics, you're good to go.

Wenget is finished, defending him at this point is just moronic.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

BLAAAAAAAMMMMM!!!!!

Chuck Kos in there and that's four world class players. Build a decent squad around that and apply some tactics, you're good to go.

Wenget is finished, defending him at this point is just moronic.

And yet people still do, whilst the vociferous "Wenger knows best" voice is declining i still don't think there is great appetite amongst the majority of the fan base to see him turfed out.

GW as we have seen in the Wenger referendum thread has pretty much turned on the man, whilst we still enjoy good performances and victories i don't think there is realistically anyone left here who thinks he is the man to take us forward.

At the same time, i do spend enough time on other Arsenal forums to recognise that GW is probably one of the most Anti Wenger boards in existence (this is not to say that people who hold this opinion are wrong, i certainly don't believe he can take us forward), but i think we have to accept that fans that still have a great deal of faith in him aren't just a few deluded individuals...there are a great number of them.

[Niall_Quinn]

Loyalty, or the notion of it. Faithful dogs who lie by the deceased until they starve to death themselves. Loyalty is good, but not when applied to modern football. We've just had a fun week watching the most senior figures in the game feathering their nests in public. What an exhibition. Football's not a thing you want to be wasting loyalty on because it's now in the hands of those who won't give anything back. Nothing, not the steam off their piss. It's difficult for fans who remember tribal loyalty, even more difficult for fans who haven't sussed the game has changed. People aren't idiots for wanting to stick by their club, they just don't realise the club is no longer there. It will take different individuals different amounts of time to let it go. We shouldn't lose respect for the past though because that stuff really happened and we were all part of it. It was the brilliance of that which attracted the money squids and the chavs and the gypos and the Bayerns and Blatters and the spoiled bitches in their £230,000 cars.

[Letters]

And yet people still do, whilst the vociferous "Wenger knows best" voice is declining i still don't think there is great appetite amongst the majority of the fan base to see him turfed out.

It is possible to think we need to move on from Wenger and also think he's not a clueless bumbling French ****.
So yes, I will defend him against the worst of the abuse he gets on here.

This season has been a bit of a balls up but we are still 3rd and we're in the FA Cup quarter finals - I was quite bullish about that game until Wednesday, now I fear an all too predictable capitulation but we'll see. After that game we could be 3rd and in the FA Cup semi-finals.

IMO it's a bit harsh the abuse Wenger's getting on here the season after we've just won the FA Cup although he certainly deserves criticism for the way we've contrived to sign well in the summer and still get worse overall. We seem to have been picking up a bit of late (again, until Wednesday) but it's not been good enough.