Do we need a new manager?

[IBK]

This job and the enormity of the decay this club has suffered for more than a decade was always a tall ask for any Rookie, and every serious football mind knew this. Lets not forget that Freddie (who at least had managed our youth team) was the experiment before Arteta and it was clear that anyone learning on the job would need to work miracles to revive this carcass that is now Arsenal football club!

When I say clearly that football clubs should only be owned and run by people who actually love and appreciate the game (fans of the game first) you all seem not to understand how integral this is to getting us back to what we use to be.

Anyway, like I said and felt before we appointed the Rookie, a coach who understands this league would be better for us, especially in the stage we are in now.

Ancelotti has recovered from his bad patch which was pretty predictable. He was my first choice before the suits went with Arteta. He is still achievable but surely only at the end of the season now.

I had mentioned Rodgers before the Emery pick and that was snubbed by gooners who usually turn up their noses at anything not European or "exotic". I don't think he will leave Leicester for us anymore though (maybe pre-Arteta but not now).

For the majority of the spoilt fans with "exotic" tastes and that "we want to be the example" attitude, I still think the Wolves coach, Nuno Espirito Santo would leave this team solid, pretty much the defensive work Arteta has achieved, but with the experience and nous to actually manage and get the best from experienced and older players.

I once uttered the words "we deserve a Mourinho after Wenger" and though I still think he would have shook this club and done a better job than any of our poor picks so far, I am also now of the mind that once he went through his inevitable bad patch, he might have done more harm to psyche of our young players and the club that even 50 years of Wenger could never replicate! I am also happy he's been quoted severally saying he'd never take the job.

The foreign big names are all up there to but I honestly think it would be too much of a gamble with the current poor state we are in.

Rebuilding, if you are doing it the right way, can take ages and several managers, Liverpool of the 80's and Man U of now should be the stories we look at, the worst thing we can do is give up and revert to our snobby and lazy attitude..... to make it clear, this would be putting all our eggs in the Arteta basket.

Depends for how long. We have (mistakenly in my view) put all our eggs in Arteta's basket - particularly with what now seems to be a disastrous decision to make him manager, rather than spreading the risk of his inexperience by having a director of football above him. Common sense for me says that this needs to be addressed. but as I said in the OP the real question is what the benefit of replacing him now will be when we are arguably at our lowest point and the likelihood is that anyone coming in won't have the credentials to do anything but at best improve our finishing position this season by a few places. If rebuilding this basket case will take time, then the next managerial decision should surely be with a view to the longer term - and the decision itself should not be rushed.

[Gooner23]

The issues at the club run way deeper than just the manager; however the decisions Arteta is making are increasingly bizarre and the 'brand' of football just cannot be defended. For that reason I reluctantly do think he needs to go.

If he was blooding more of the youth players and showing some signs of progress I think he would earn more time and patience.

But if Arteta goes then so must Edu. Both seem out of their depth.

[Mac76]

The issues at the club run way deeper than just the manager; however the decisions Arteta is making are increasingly bizarre and the 'brand' of football just cannot be defended. For that reason I reluctantly do think he needs to go.

If he was blooding more of the youth players and showing some signs of progress I think he would earn more time and patience.

But if Arteta goes then so must Edu. Both seem out of their depth.

[IBK]

Replacing Arteta immediately is something I have not yet made up my mind on, mainly because I can't see any options besides Pooch and our season is already over.

However I have made up my mind that there is nothing special about Arteta and he's definitely not the genius we were sold (sounds familiar right). This realisation is all that matters IMO and if I was making decisions for Arsenal would guide everything I do from henceforth.... simply put , we need a new manager.

Anything else is just repeating the same mistakes we made with Emery and killing the team further.

Yeah - I can relate to that. It's kind of against my better judgement to write Arteta off already - given the deeper issues at our club, and the fact that once you appoint an inexperienced manager you have to allow him to make mistakes. But the reason why I think I have now done so is the non-tactical decisions that he has made (not that he is looking like a tactical genius either). Good judgment; clarity of purpose and good man management are all attributes that even an inexperienced manager should be able to display, but as far as we can tell, Arteta has shown none of this and I cannot see how this is going to improve.

So yes, I think we need a new manager. But I think also that we need to trust Arteta not to get us relegated (and possibly make a pragmatic January signing to help this), and keep him to the end of the season on the basis that proper plans are made in the mentime to get the appointment that we need, because this experiment is not working.

[Marc Overmars]

Arteta may well go on to have a bright future but for whatever reason he’s struggling with the cards he’s been dealt. The job might just be too big for him as it would be for any rookie.

Di Matteo won Chelsea the CL but he hasn’t been heard of since. This game isn’t for everyone and we haven’t really seen anything innovative or special from Arteta that suggests he could be some kind of trailblazer. I just seen a bog standard coach with no real ideas and tactics straight out of a coaching for dummies book.

[hobson's choice]

I want to give him a chance, but I just don't see a plan. Especially with the development off our younger players.

[selassie]

The issues at the club run way deeper than just the manager; however the decisions Arteta is making are increasingly bizarre and the 'brand' of football just cannot be defended. For that reason I reluctantly do think he needs to go.

If he was blooding more of the youth players and showing some signs of progress I think he would earn more time and patience.

But if Arteta goes then so must Edu. Both seem out of their depth.

Absolutely this.

Both of them are way out of their depth IMO.

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

Depends for how long. We have (mistakenly in my view) put all our eggs in Arteta's basket - particularly with what now seems to be a disastrous decision to make him manager, rather than spreading the risk of his inexperience by having a director of football above him. Common sense for me says that this needs to be addressed. but as I said in the OP the real question is what the benefit of replacing him now will be when we are arguably at our lowest point and the likelihood is that anyone coming in won't have the credentials to do anything but at best improve our finishing position this season by a few places. If rebuilding this basket case will take time, then the next managerial decision should surely be with a view to the longer term - and the decision itself should not be rushed.

Replacing Arteta immediately is something I have not yet made up my mind on, mainly because I can't see any options besides Pooch and our season is already over.

However I have made up my mind that there is nothing special about Arteta and he's definitely not the genius we were sold (sounds familiar right). This realisation is all that matters IMO and if I was making decisions for Arsenal would guide everything I do from henceforth.... simply put , we need a new manager.

Anything else is just repeating the same mistakes we made with Emery and killing the team further.

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

The issues at the club run way deeper than just the manager; however the decisions Arteta is making are increasingly bizarre and the 'brand' of football just cannot be defended. For that reason I reluctantly do think he needs to go.

If he was blooding more of the youth players and showing some signs of progress I think he would earn more time and patience.

But if Arteta goes then so must Edu. Both seem out of their depth.

Over and over I say this and people do not get the import of this.

When we had the Dein/AW combo we were successful, competitive and going somewhere. Despite the whole world acclaiming AW a genius, practically every big footballing decision he made was actually left to Dein, who could agree or overrule at anytime, just like he did to AW in the Cashley saga (a decision I still hate till now).

Dein was the guy who supported Wenger when he deviated from our model of buying bargain foreign talent to developing young players... Fabregas still confirmed that it was Dein who kidnapped him from Barca and gave he and his parents their first jobs here! BTW he was left with little option than agreeing to a cheaper model as the board had overruled him in staying at Highbury (he argued that the money we would spend on the stadium should be invested in the team instead as he saw increased competition coming; note it wasn't AW who made this argument, it was DEIN). Eventually when he was proven right about the need to invest in the squad and the premiership had changed dramatically with the coming of Roman and others, it was still the same Dein who singlehandedly went shopping for the "right" kind of Sugar Daddy for us so we could compete. We all know the story from here.

My point is that an Exec who is foremost a football person, will definitely make better decisions , especially in the long run, than any so called business genius could. Abramovich is finally reaping his rewards and dividends from Chelsea because he made decisions as a fan of the game first and not as an Exec. Most analysts thought at first he would never recoup his investment and couldn't understand what he was doing chopping and changing managers, but now look who is laughing.

Our leadership must come from on top; till this is sorted, we won't see any significant change or get back to where we use to be.

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

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