10th or 11th is pathetic and there can be no excuses. Arteta probably has about 10 games at the start of next season and see where we are. i dont see us as a top 4 side but we need to recruit the way liverpool did, sell a player for alot of invest it wellOriginally Posted by Letters
He may well go on to do big things as a coach but if we persist with him we could be out in the wilderness for a few more years while he cuts his teeth. If the board are happy for us to be used as a project then fine, but it has to come with a timescale and accountability.
One of our biggest problems is the amount of garbage players we have on big wages, these players are going to be almost impossible to shift, we certainly shouldn't be sticking with them given their woeful displays this season. Willian, Xhaka (he's been relatively good lately) & David Luiz come to mind. Laca isn't far behind even though he has had a relatively OK season, Auba looks like he has mentally checked out, he has been awful this season.
We basically have big problems in pretty much every area of the team, I don't think next season is going to be much different with Arteta in charge unless we get lucky with our recruitment in the summer.
If i was in charge, I'd basically start again and build with the youth, we basically need to build the team around them with a few smart low key buys.
if giving the ball back to the person who just passed it to you or giving the ball away or being too slow means he's relatively good then fine...
all this crap about him improving basically mens he's not been sent off lately - otehr than that i see nothign of worth
it's a shame that we were so bad on Saturday without Xhaka, as now Arteta will be more convinced than ever Xhaka is indespensible, but in fact it was his decision to play Ceballos and the fact Partey is increasingly crap that's the problem - he should have played Chambers in DM although Chambers is good at RB so a bit of a dilemma there i admit - maybe Elneny then
Mac, I know you hate Xhaka and I am no fan of Xhaka either, but the alternatives are not better than him.
Ceballos is a complete waste of space, he doesn't do anything other than repeatedly get caught by the press or spin around aimlessly and pass the ball sideways. Chambers is OK at RB, he has had a few decent games recently but was really poor on Saturday, constantly caught out of position and his distribution was shocking.
Elneny has had a few decent performances this season but isn't the solution. Aside from Partey who I agree has been poor lately, our midfield needs to be completely rebuilt, it's a complete mess.
Totally agree with everything MO and IBK say above
I really hope the Kroenkes are watching this and starting to talk to any established managers who might be available in the summer, although i doubt it somehow
They won't. We have put all our eggs in one basket with Arteta, and doubled down on this by making him manager. I think it was le Grove last week who said that the real rot set in at AFc not when Wenger left but when Gazidis did. There was then no leadership for an executive team that he put in - and was a structure that should have worked with his firm oversight. Instead it went to shit.
The Kroenkes are still hoping for the magic bullet that sees us back to top 4, and don't understand that they need in fact to have a team in place to build from where we are - mid table. I thought that Arteta - at least as a coach - was the man to do this. But his player recruitment; the fact that most of the success stories in our team seem to have come about more by luck than from judgment, and his craven reliance on so-called senior players in the face of evidence that they, not the youngsters, are the problem suggests otherwise. I thought that we were seeing the blueprint for the future after Xmas, but that fact that despite biggish spending we are still 2 injuries away from the team that was a few points away from relegation in mid December is really, really worrying.
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After watching the game I just felt incredibly sad, what the hell has happened to this great club I've invested so much passion, time and hard earned money in? I'm tempted to turn my back on them even though I know I can't, just like everyone that posts on this forum can't and won't.
Arteta it appears want's to cut off his nose to spite his face, his negative tactics against an out of sorts Liverpool side were just cowardly. Why pick an out of form Ceballos? I don't even know what to say about Aubameyang anymore, surely he understands his attitude and performances have been woeful? Too many ageing players on high wages will continue to hold this team back unless we appoint an experienced manager who has the guts to look at the squad and make changes for the better, someone who is not blinkered by favouritism. I've wanted Arteta to succeed so much but it appears he isn't ready to manage a club of Arsenal's magnitude, his lack of experience really is starting to show now.
I said from the very first day that Stan Kroenke took over Arsenal that we would be in trouble, he has no concern for our beloved club and will be more than happy just to keep us ticking over. We can only hope that someone with a passion for success comes in with a ridiculous offer to buy him out, until then it's more dark days ahead I'm afraid
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Agree with much of that mate. I have really tried - and am still trying to take the view that we are where we are and that the damage done to the club will take a while to sort out, so be patient. I was in the LDG camp for a long time this season - ie Arteta is quality if inexperienced, and we need to give him time to turn this team into what we need it to be, and I still feel that getting rid of the manager will simply prolong the transition. But while I still believe that Arteta has something about him, and will probably be a success long term, I am concerned about what he is showing us - and some of his decision making seems to be poor. The worst thing the club could have done, IMO, is make him manager as well as coach. He should have been left as coach for a few years with a proper director of football calling the shots on transfers. This would have given him the support he needs, while mitigating the damage that he could do.After watching the game I just felt incredibly sad, what the hell has happened to this great club I've invested so much passion, time and hard earned money in? I'm tempted to turn my back on them even though I know I can't, just like everyone that posts on this forum can't and won't.
Arteta it appears want's to cut off his nose to spite his face, his negative tactics against an out of sorts Liverpool side were just cowardly. Why pick an out of form Ceballos? I don't even know what to say about Aubameyang anymore, surely he understands his attitude and performances have been woeful? Too many ageing players on high wages will continue to hold this team back unless we appoint an experienced manager who has the guts to look at the squad and make changes for the better, someone who is not blinkered by favouritism. I've wanted Arteta to succeed so much but it appears he isn't ready to manage a club of Arsenal's magnitude, his lack of experience really is starting to show now.
I said from the very first day that Stan Kroenke took over Arsenal that we would be in trouble, he has no concern for our beloved club and will be more than happy to keep us just ticking over. We can only hope that someone with a passion for success comes in with a ridiculous offer to buy him out, until then it's more dark days ahead I'm afraid
Listen - we have to understand that the reason Liverpool have been ordinary of late is because of fatigue - magnified by the style of football they play - and they were always going to be back to their normal selves after an international break. This was the worst time to play them. But its the way we set up, showed up, and played that has really exposed our manager. As matters stand I can't really see this pattern changing - play well but flatter to deceive and revert to type over a 10 game period. I hope I'm wrong but the evidence sadly suggests otherwise.
Putting the laughter back into manslaughter
Project Arteta not working out. Add to that the amount of woeful players we have, it’s a recipe for mediocrity. A club of our stature, we really should have an established, top drawer manager. We aren’t the sort of club that should be experimenting with a novice coach, as much as I do like Arteta. Whilst I accept that Wenger was an experiment, I can’t see history repeating itself this time round.
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