European Super League

[I am invisible]

could be, if so they really pressed the nuclear button though

Perfect opportunity though - football reeling after the pandemic, no fans, big Uefa meeting about the future of the CL...

[Letters]

The Kroenkes must be confused AF this morning! This is probably the closest thing to a slam dunk that you'll ever get by American sporting standards - drastic increase in income, instant security after the pandemic, cemented status as one to the world's top sides (and Spurs), forever, nothing but big matches against the best teams every other week... they were probably sitting there by their iPads, waiting for the kudos to start rolling in!

fyp

[Niall_Quinn]

so, it looks to me like Woodward and Perez called everyone up at the weekend and told them that the ESL was happening, Man U were in and if they didn't follow they'd be out in the cold

so they had to issue statements in a hurry saying they were part of it

that's why they hadn't time to talk to managers and players etc

it was blackmail and the clubs all went for it (as would everton, burnley and any other po-faced bunch of hypocrits who've been publicly criticising it)

that's why the Arsenal statement on Sunday was so perfunctory

I'm not trying to give the Kroenkes an easy ride and tbh if their plan was always to get an ESL so they could not have to compete and just watch the money come in, they might now sell (although again we need to be careful what we wish for because we could have worse)

but while it's easy to laugh at last night's statement from Arsenal, it reads better than a lot of those from other clubs (especially Levy's I'm pleased to say)

after all, if they didn't apologise and say they made a mistake we'd be demanding they did just that wouldn't we?

but it's a shame Arteta and the players weren't as vocal as Klopp, Henderson, Pep, KDB and others

but Neville can truly eff off, he was part of a club that bullied and cheated its way to titles year after year

so we've all had a really worrying 2-3 days while this played out, but at least we can know it won't be tried again for a long long time

No, no, no, no, no. That's definitely not what happened. That's called a limited hangout and it is designed to save the arses of the plotters who haven't already resigned from various roles. Heap all the blame on the targets that have already been killed. The others walk away as abused victims who finally saw the light?

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit! Bullshit detectors going off everywhere. A cacophony. You'd have to be a total mug to believe any of that, and they'd have to think we are all total mugs to believe we'd believe such bullshit.

No. These things are planned way in advance. Contracts, lawyers, accountants, organising the money, plus a thousand other moving parts. Nobody did anything at the last minute and none of them are innocent. Certainly none of them were coerced into sitting down months or years ago when this shit all started.

No, we're not having their bullshit excuses. They tried to steal the game and keep it for themselves. Now they (and all like them) must be ejected from the game. People like Perez must be rooted out.

Wenger drove me to tears of desperation with his unwillingness to leave the club and the structural damage he was doing daily, towards the end.

But now he needs to be in charge of all of it because everyone trusts him to do the right thing. You just can't see Wenger at the heart of a (yes they do exist) conspiracy like this. He's the Elliott Ness of football, sometimes with a dodgy aim and a tendency to outstay his welcome, but whatever.

He's the bloke for it and, having a think about it, I can't even come up with a name for his deputy. Who's another bloke in football that could be trusted? There must be somebody?

[IBK]

So there are reports today taht UEFA offered huge sums of money to the English clubs to withdraw from the Super League which sounds suspiciously like a bribe but never mind.

The new champions league format agreed by UEFA also means that clubs who fail to qualify but have high enough coefficient points will automatically qualify for the Champios League. We are 11th in the points apparently and given the teams ahead of us would qualify automatically via the league for the Champions League, would see us qualify next season if the rule was in place.

How is that new rule any different to the super league? It’s the big clubs looking after their own interests to ensure they all play in the big competition. The only difference is that UEFA get the money rather then super league which therefore seems to make it acceptable

Was this the clubs' intention all along? Either the ESL took off or there would be a pay day? Or is this just conspiracy theorising?

[IBK]

No, no, no, no, no. That's definitely not what happened. That's called a limited hangout and it is designed to save the arses of the plotters who haven't already resigned from various roles. Heap all the blame on the targets that have already been killed. The others walk away as abused victims who finally saw the light?

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit! Bullshit detectors going off everywhere. A cacophony. You'd have to be a total mug to believe any of that, and they'd have to think we are all total mugs to believe we'd believe such bullshit.

No. These things are planned way in advance. Contracts, lawyers, accountants, organising the money, plus a thousand other moving parts. Nobody did anything at the last minute and none of them are innocent. Certainly none of them were coerced into sitting down months or years ago when this shit all started.

No, we're not having their bullshit excuses. They tried to steal the game and keep it for themselves. Now they (and all like them) must be ejected from the game. People like Perez must be rooted out.

Wenger drove me to tears of desperation with his unwillingness to leave the club and the structural damage he was doing daily, towards the end.

But now he needs to be in charge of all of it because everyone trusts him to do the right thing. You just can't see Wenger at the heart of a (yes they do exist) conspiracy like this. He's the Elliott Ness of football, sometimes with a dodgy aim and a tendency to outstay his welcome, but whatever.

He's the bloke for it and, having a think about it, I can't even come up with a name for his deputy. Who's another bloke in football that could be trusted? There must be somebody?

[Ollie the Optimist]

Was this the clubs' intention all along? Either the ESL took off or there would be a pay day? Or is this just conspiracy theorising?

I think the super league was genuine in one sense that if UEFA didnt give them what they wanted, it was ready to go (for 48 hours ) but i do believe an element of it was to force UEFA etc into doing what they want which was give them more money

[Mac76]

No. These things are planned way in advance. Contracts, lawyers, accountants, organising the money, plus a thousand other moving parts. Nobody did anything at the last minute and none of them are innocent. Certainly none of them were coerced into sitting down months or years ago when this shit all started.

i get what you're saying but if there's all these contracts etc where are they now?

how are the clubs all able to just walk away all of a sudden if they've all signed up after your months of clandestine planning?

[Niall_Quinn]

It was a pretty good statement, to be fair.

It's just...I don't believe a word of it. Sure, they're sorry that so many fans basically told them to fuck off and that they would be withdrawing their custom, they care about the money potentially drying up. But that's all.

And sure, you could say "well, it's not the players' fault, it's not Arteta's fault". And you'd be right. But it's not like the players care about us or the club either. It's all screwed.

Why don't you believe them? They are the official source.

This is a rare moment in public life. It is very, very rare to see the sausage being made. Even rarer to walk in on the blood soaked butchers at work, stripped of their fancy suits and public relations entourage. This is what they look like in real life, not the fantasy life they set up for themselves and pay others to endorse.

This reality is not confined to football. These people run the world (and ruin it), almost always using money stolen from the masses, a pound per consumer at a time.

The ONLY thing they are scared of is when the masses wake up and unify in their condemnation. That's even rarer. But it should happen all the time.

[Niall_Quinn]

i get what you're saying but if there's all these contracts etc where are they now?

how are the clubs all able to just walk away all of a sudden if they've all signed up after your months of clandestine planning?

That's going to be the final joke. If I know my American lawyers - and I do - there will be clause after clause tying these clubs into the deal and stipulating hefty penalties on forfeiture. I'm thinking they'll end up losing millions to the likes of JP Morgan, rather than cashing all that lovely money they thought was in the bank.

It's not my clandestine planning btw, it was theirs.

[Niall_Quinn]

I think our billionaire arsehole is the most likely candidate to sell.

Kroen**** is the only one of them who seems to have no interest in football at all.

He always wanted the 'brand' to make money off of.

Now it's been heavily tarnished, and the userbase hates him - it could be enough for him to jump ship.

Whilst collecting a few billion for the privilege, of course

The fans need to heavily boycott the club for the time being. Dive the share price down. Send those revenues to zero so every day the deal gets worse for Kroenke. Don't just let him walk away without a reminder of the pain he's brought to every Arsenal fan since his sorry arse parachuted in.

That's the thing with these bastards. Even when they lose huge, they win.