summer '22 transfer craziness and stupidity

[IBK]

seriously? how 'professional' is it to constantly be sent off and yellow-carded, or presenting goal-scoring opportunities to the opposition?

I think you are conflating lack of ability with lack of professionalism. Patrick Vieira is the jonit Arsena record holder for number of yellow cards in one season. He also holds the joint EPL recors for red cards; flirted a number of times with other clubs and allegedly threatened to break Roy Keane's leg. Would you argue that he was unprofessional. Most people certainly wouldn't.

And this is my issue with the Xhaka hate. Most of it stems from the fact that he is in many fans eyes not good enough. In many cases, it is his lack of pace - and desperate attempts to make up for being bested by opposition players - that has led to his bookings. It could be argued that he cares too much, and certainly that he lacks the right temperament to deal with pressure situations, but I don't think this is most accurately described as a lack of professionalism.

By all accounts, the player is one of the hardest training players we have; a 'go to' player in terms of leadership of other players; and generally speaking his injury record has been astonishing - that perhaps speaks to a desire to be in the picth as well as a physical robustness. He has accepted being played out of position (eg LB) without complaint; never bleats to the press; continued to put maximum effort in after being stripped of the captaincy (admittedly after an unprofessional reaction to the crowd); knuckled down after attemopts to offload him to Roma during the Summer, and while he just isn't an 8/10 player (not his fault) can generally be relied upon to give 7/10 performances week in week out.

Given Arteta's treatment of players who don't have the right attitude - including players the club has had to pay to leave - do you really think he doesn't show professionalism to the manager?

I don't particularly want to be a Xhaka cheerleader but I find the hate of this player tiresome. As matters stand he is an integral part of a team that is perfoming well.

[Mac76]

I think you are conflating lack of ability with lack of professionalism. Patrick Vieira is the jonit Arsena record holder for number of yellow cards in one season. He also holds the joint EPL recors for red cards; flirted a number of times with other clubs and allegedly threatened to break Roy Keane's leg. Would you argue that he was unprofessional. Most people certainly wouldn't.

And this is my issue with the Xhaka hate. Most of it stems from the fact that he is in many fans eyes not good enough. In many cases, it is his lack of pace - and desperate attempts to make up for being bested by opposition players - that has led to his bookings. It could be argued that he cares too much, and certainly that he lacks the right temperament to deal with pressure situations, but I don't think this is most accurately described as a lack of professionalism.

By all accounts, the player is one of the hardest training players we have; a 'go to' player in terms of leadership of other players; and generally speaking his injury record has been astonishing - that perhaps speaks to a desire to be in the picth as well as a physical robustness. He has accepted being played out of position (eg LB) without complaint; never bleats to the press; continued to put maximum effort in after being stripped of the captaincy (admittedly after an unprofessional reaction to the crowd); knuckled down after attemopts to offload him to Roma during the Summer, and while he just isn't an 8/10 player (not his fault) can generally be relied upon to give 7/10 performances week in week out.

Given Arteta's treatment of players who don't have the right attitude - including players the club has had to pay to leave - do you really think he doesn't show professionalism to the manager?

I don't particularly want to be a Xhaka cheerleader but I find the hate of this player tiresome. As matters stand he is an integral part of a team that is perfoming well.

err, i'd say that making senseless tackles in dangerous areas of the pitch isn't just a lack of ability, it's also a lack of professional judgement

storming off the pitch telling the fans to f*ck off and throwing the armband away is also a lack of professional judgement

so he's not professional and how you can claim otherwise is beyond me

as far as 'integrl part of the team' is concerned we do perfectly well wtihout him (which we have to do a lot as he gets sent off so regularly)

there's not enough Xhaka hate IMO, he should be booed by every fan when he walks onto the pitch so he and Arteta get the message and he f*cks off out of our club

[IBK]

err, i'd say that making senseless tackles in dangerous areas of the pitch isn't just a lack of ability, it's also a lack of professional judgement

storming off the pitch telling the fans to f*ck off and throwing the armband away is also a lack of professional judgement

so he's not professional and how you can claim otherwise is beyond me

as far as 'integrl part of the team' is concerned we do perfectly well wtihout him (which we have to do a lot as he gets sent off so regularly)

there's not enough Xhaka hate IMO, he should be booed by every fan when he walks onto the pitch so he and Arteta get the message and he f*cks off out of our club

Your last line shows me that there is no point debating this further with you.

[Mac76]

Your last line shows me that there is no point debating this further with you.

That seems like an easy way to avoid the rest of the points I'd made, I might be pretty anti-Xhaka but it's all based on fact, in terms of what we've seen on many occasions