Ahh...ok, fair enough.Originally Posted by KSE Comedy Club
Oh I agree, I'm not suggesting that £50m isn't a reasonable middle of the road sum these days.
But Leeds are suggesting it isn't and think we should be paying more
I'd love to know how these valuations and negotiations are arrived at. I mean, there must be some reference/analysis a team bases their offer on.
Do they just check transfermarkt.com or some shit?
Talk to the agent?
Just make it up completely??
£50-60m will look more like £10-12m per year for the next 5 years added to our operating costs - it won't just be £60m debited from our savings account. As long as the annual repayments (and salaries) (and agents' fees) for all of these deals sit within our annual turnover then it's all affordable.
This is where all the work we've done over the last couple of years [in trimming the fat from the squad] will start to pay off - we may not have made much (if anything) on fees, but we've (allegedly) cut the wage bill down from £190m to £85m pa! That's an extra £105m we can afford to add to our operating costs, which would be the equivalent of something like 6 or 7 £50m-signings on £100k/wk salaries, with deals structured over 5 years.
Obviously it won't work out exactly like that - some fees / wages will be higher, some lower, some will want more money up front, some will be structured over fewer years, etc - but you get the gist. When you look at it in those terms, the difference between £50m and £60m is £2m a year for 5 years, so not necessarily anything to worry about.
Probably a mixture of a) deterrent and b) covering the cost of their own targets (plural).
If you're the selling club you want to come out of it on the up, otherwise what's the point? What's in it for you? If you're Leeds, and you're selling Raphinha, you don't want to come out of it with just enough money to buy the next Raphinha - you want to be getting that player and maybe one or two others too.
My thoughts exactly. We have gaping holes in other areas of the team to address before spending crazy sums on a wide player (decent one) where we are completely stacked at the moment.
When are we going to address Central Midfield?!?!
In fairness if Leeds thinks they will sink from the league without him, they're probably fair asking for a lot more than £50 million.
Might also have seen what we spent on Pepe and they want a bit of that.
We're not really stacked in the wide areas though. We have 3 kids. None of whom have been consistently good or anywhere near the level to challenge. And Pepe who rightly wants out from Arteta. And I'm naw even convinced ESR is a wide player. So that leaves Saka and Martinelli.
I'm also convinced Vieira is to play CM with Partey and Odegaard. We know Arteta wants to move to a 1 DM and 2 more progressive players in CM/AMC kinda system. He's said as much.
Last edited by mandela8; 22-06-2022 at 05:54 PM.
I’m certainly not adverse to bringing in Raphinia but I think it’s less of a priority than a central midfielder
The problem with Arteta’s so called plan is that in order for that system to work you need either a deep lying central midfielder capable of getting the ball forward quickly or you need a more advanced midfielder to drop deep and win the ball and we don’t have that. This is why Tielemans or a player like him was a must.
We have two key attacking issues - one no reliable goalscorer and two no one who can beat the press and play in out quickly to the attacking quartet or as Arteta seems to favour Quintet.
I have no issue in principle, I think there are a lot of games where it’s patently unnecessary to be playing with two defensive midfielders but we simply do not have the conduit between defence and attack in the middle of the park. And if that Lego haired fool doesn’t address this, we are going to be up shit creek again before long.
I think you're on the money re Vieira.
Putting the laughter back into manslaughter
Partey takes the ball and plays it through the lines. He's the only player who does so. That said, he's extremely limited when Odegaard is often his only option as the other CM, wether it be Xhaka or Elneny don't present as an option and people like Saka hide behind defenders constantly.
You put a more progressive thinking player in there with Odegaard, which I'm hoping/assuming Vieira is, and players like Raphina and a striker who doesn't have profound learning difficulties then it makes Partey's job significantly easier.
We are stacked compared to the Centre forward position where we just have Nketiah at the moment.
Also ESR‘a numbers from the wide area where relatively good last season, where do you think he should play if not out wide? He’s not a number 10 or even a number 8.
Vieira has had one full season as a rotational player, you think he is going to walk into our team?!?!
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