All or Nothing

[HCZ_Reborn]

Episode 4 - Arteta really showing his bizarre passive aggressive tendencies in regards to Auba. Telling Mark Gonella that he keeps a book of all these player indiscretions, how it was handled so he has something to refer back to.

So in Arteta’s mind it was punishment for being late to training and being late to training six months earlier. There is no impetus from anyone else to enforce this action other than Arteta, but he gets the team in and says “we have decided” etc as if it was anything other than a unilateral decision.

He really needs to go, even if we get in the players we need….he can’t be trusted he’s severely mentally unstable.

[Globalgunner]

If Arteta cant progress this season after 3 plus years and probably more than £400m spent then he really needs to F-off anyways

[Letters]

If Arteta cant progress this season after 3 plus years and probably more than £400m spent then he really needs to F-off anyways

Agree with this. Top 4 or bust this year.

[Niall_Quinn]

Agree with this. Top 4 or bust this year.

Are you being serious here or sarcastic?

Hopefully it's the latter but, if not, how would securing the fake achievement that brought the club down in the first place be grounds to retain the manager responsible? The Top 4 Trophy again? No, you can't possibly be serious.

Hasn't this man been hired to mount a proper title challenge, or is this no longer Arsenal FC?

The base criteria for success must surely be, at least, being in the hunt for the title during the last few weeks of the season, avoiding the usual catastrophic collapse that crushes all hope of serious competition, utilising the squad properly so we don't have to hear all the usual excuses about injuries, etc, etc. That sort of stuff that so signifies a string of seasons since the last real challenge.

Why would scraping 4th with the usual margin between us and the eventual champions, followed by an embarrassing and inept showing in the Champions League be considered progress? Because we finished 6th and put in embarrassing performances in the Europa League?

Is it possible to set the bar any lower?

[KSE Comedy Club]

Is it possible to set the bar any lower?

It is.

We could enjoy the excitement of the 'bottom of the table relegation battle'

[Letters]

Hasn't this man been hired to mount a proper title challenge, or is this no longer Arsenal FC?

Obviously that's the ultimate aim - well, it should be. But that has to be somewhat tempered by the reality of where we are right now and where we've come from.
Last year the top 2 were in their own little world. We were mixing it with everyone else and better than most but ultimately we finished 24 points off the title.
That feels like one hell of a bridge to gap in one season. If either or both of those sides is close to as good again, I can't see us seriously challenging them and I don't think that should be the criteria

The base criteria for success must surely be, at least, being in the hunt for the title during the last few weeks of the season, avoiding the usual catastrophic collapse that crushes all hope of serious competition, utilising the squad properly so we don't have to hear all the usual excuses about injuries, etc, etc. That sort of stuff that so signifies a string of seasons since the last real challenge.

I'd agree with all of that bar the first for the reason I outlined above.
You can't base your expectations on our best ever seasons, they have to be based on where we are now, and where we've come from in the last few years which is:

2019/20 - 8th 56Pts
2020/21 - 8th 61Pts
2021/22 - 5th 69Pts

There has been a bit of year on year progress and I think we've made good signings, but I don't believe this year a title challenge is realistic. It would be nice, obviously, but it's not the sole criteria I'd judge any Arsenal manager on this season given the last few years.

Why would scraping 4th with the usual margin between us and the eventual champions, followed by an embarrassing and inept showing in the Champions League be considered progress?

It wouldn't.

[fakeyank]

Are you being serious here or sarcastic?

Hopefully it's the latter but, if not, how would securing the fake achievement that brought the club down in the first place be grounds to retain the manager responsible? The Top 4 Trophy again? No, you can't possibly be serious.

Hasn't this man been hired to mount a proper title challenge, or is this no longer Arsenal FC?

The base criteria for success must surely be, at least, being in the hunt for the title during the last few weeks of the season, avoiding the usual catastrophic collapse that crushes all hope of serious competition, utilising the squad properly so we don't have to hear all the usual excuses about injuries, etc, etc. That sort of stuff that so signifies a string of seasons since the last real challenge.

Why would scraping 4th with the usual margin between us and the eventual champions, followed by an embarrassing and inept showing in the Champions League be considered progress? Because we finished 6th and put in embarrassing performances in the Europa League?

Is it possible to set the bar any lower?

Title challenge is unrealistic considering how far off the top 2 we are.. to me, a successful season would be finishing no less than 4th, playing good attractive football, not getting steamrolled against big teams (ex: 5-0 against City last season) and a FA cup or Europa league deep run.

[Letters]

Title challenge is unrealistic considering how far off the top 2 we are.. to me, a successful season would be finishing no less than 4th, playing good attractive football, not getting steamrolled against big teams (ex: 5-0 against City last season) and a FA cup or Europa league deep run.

Holy shit, I agree with FY about something.
And yeah, all that should be possible...assuming no FY visits to The Emirates of course...

[fakeyank]

Holy shit, I agree with FY about something.
And yeah, all that should be possible...assuming no FY visits to The Emirates of course...

I will be around Ireland/Northern Ireland first week of September aka around our game with Everton. I couldve shortened time in Ireland to be in London for the game but I didnt want to fuck up our chances anymore.




Now, if we are looking good come February/March, then I might just come down to say hello

[Niall_Quinn]

Title challenge is unrealistic considering how far off the top 2 we are.. to me, a successful season would be finishing no less than 4th, playing good attractive football, not getting steamrolled against big teams (ex: 5-0 against City last season) and a FA cup or Europa league deep run.

What, 3 years at a supposedly big club, a free hand, allegedly decent players already in place, and more money than the yanks ever gave Wenger or Dick?

Yeah, I forgot about the attractive (euphemism for competent if you ask me) football. Definitely add that to the list. It's something I've given up hoping for tbh. Certainly Arteta isn't capable of providing it, that much is painfully obvious.

Do you know, I'm having second thoughts about Wenger. Yes, he was fucked beyond all recognition by the time he was booted. But, for all his flaws, he had a lot of respect for the game as it should be played and that actually cost him against the horrible, cynical, cowardly bastards that call themselves coaches these days. Yes, Wenger was a man out of his time, but his time was better and the abject shite that managers like Arteta serve up today. They might beat Wenger in the league table but they'll never beat him in terms of providing what we all used to understand as football. Entertainment. Passion. Tribe. Our players used to fight in the tunnel, not kneel on the pitch and mince around in pink. Everything was blood red. Deadly as sharks we were, and just as vicious. Not this dead, gutted fish flopping around with fireworks exploding behind it and pampered fucks demanding a 10% share in the club just to turn up.

It was sad that Wenger eventually accepted 4th place as a trophy. That was his downfall. But it's criminal for the club and any fans dumb enough to buy into it to repeat that bullshit and then sell it as success.

Anyway, I don't watch it. So ignore me.