Quote Originally Posted by IBK View Post
So much misdirected hyperbole in your post that I don't really know where to start. Wenger signed Xhaka and every one of our managers since has had him as a 'first on the teamsheet' player. For all that he dropped off, Wenger's pedigree and experience is undoubted; Emery didn't flourish at Arsenal, but is hardly unproven or unsuccessful; Arteta came without managerial experience, but has shown that he is not afraid to ditch senior players, and is extremely progressive in how he wants to play the game, and has shown that he has a very clear vision for this. He worked with some of the best players in the worls under Guardiola and should be able to spot a dud one when he sees it. To dismiss the opinions of all these managers in favour of your own shows clear and unjustified bias. But then your description of Xhaka as a talentless creep actually makes my argument for me.
you're ignoring the core of what i said which is that managers like Arteta and Emery for different reasons feel a need to prove themselves and belittle players who don't do the teachers' pet act.


yes there needs to be discipline but a manager with genuine gravitas is bigger than to put the captain out of the matchday squad because he was late, or criticise Pepe in public for being sent off then turn a blind eye when Xhaka gets a red - it's inconsistent and shows he is biased

you guys can carry on putting pictures of Arteta and Xhaka on your walls if you want but there's plenty of people on here and in the wider fan base who can see Arteta and Xhaka's relationship for the unhealthy arrangement that it is