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[Mac76]

Arteta's subs are fuckin mental, man.

Last week it was trying to shut up shop on 79 minutes taking the only decent outlets we had off, just inviting more pressure.

This week it was taking Jesus and Odegaard off when we needed a goal.

Just baffling.

Players like Saka and Xhaka who offer absolutely nothing remain untouchable. It's almost self sabotage. I can normally rationalize bad (ones I don't agree with) decisions but I'm at a loss today.

I agree, people can go on about City's relentlessness but, just as our success has been partly down to Arteta, so are our failures - today and last week were self-inflicted by a manager who has favourites and no plan B, when things go wrong he often makes the wrong decisions on who to bring on, who to take off and when

[HCZ_Reborn]

I agree, people can go on about City's relentlessness but, just as our success has been partly down to Arteta, so are our failures - today and last week were self-inflicted by a manager who has favourites and no plan B, when things go wrong he often makes the wrong decisions on who to bring on, who to take off and when

I don’t think there are many who would disagree with that, the point is more these errors are going to be punished because of the relentlessness of city. The last time we won the league we drew 12 times, and the game that won us the league we threw away a two goal lead.
Napoli are likely to be champions despite a drop in form where they’ve drawn again this weekend and were recently beaten 4-0 at home to Milan
Barcelona have failed to score in their last two games in La liga but are comfortably ahead
The thing is you’re right, we fucked up the last two games…but the point being made is that you simply can’t afford any fuck ups with a machine like City

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

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Some good news....being too quick to reward failure has been our culture for too long.

1 FA cup (and actually 1 final) in 4 years is nothing to do a song and dance about.

[Mac76]

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Some good news....being too quick to reward failure has been our culture for too long.

1 FA cup (and actually 1 final) in 4 years is nothing to do a song and dance about.

£8.3m a year and he was the only person in the world yesterday who didn't realiae he should take Saka off instead of Jesus

[Letters]

I don’t think there are many who would disagree with that, the point is more these errors are going to be punished because of the relentlessness of city. The last time we won the league we drew 12 times, and the game that won us the league we threw away a two goal lead.
Napoli are likely to be champions despite a drop in form where they’ve drawn again this weekend and were recently beaten 4-0 at home to Milan
Barcelona have failed to score in their last two games in La liga but are comfortably ahead
The thing is you’re right, we fucked up the last two games…but the point being made is that you simply can’t afford any fuck ups with a machine like City

I looked back over the last 5 seasons. City's points average over the last 5 years is 91.6. Their average is more than The Invincibles got. It's mental.
Liverpool got 92 points in one season and 97 in another and didn't win the title either time.
The only time City have failed to win it is when Liverpool went absolutely mental and blitzed everyone.
Yesterday was unacceptable. Liverpool wasn't great but more forgivable given their home record and the saves Ramsdale made to keep us level at the end.
But we are up against the Usain Bolt of football. They were always likely to mow us down. I just hope we keep going and at least make them work for it, a collapse now would be unforgiveable.

[HCZ_Reborn]

£8.3m a year and he was the only person in the world yesterday who didn't realiae he should take Saka off instead of Jesus

One suspects that Arteta is probably of the mindset that Jesus needs to avoid being played for 90 minutes given he’s only been back for a month, I feel that’s a mistake but I don’t have the benefit of seeing what he sees on the training pitch. He also may have felt that pulling Saka might have dented his confidence after the penalty miss. Who knows.

Or he worried that Jesus was going to get himself sent off after picking up a silly yellow card in the first half

That’s the problem, things might seem obvious but there might be more to it….or it could just be a tactical blunder from someone being Galaxy brained.

The thing is there won’t be a time where I think something should have been done differently, it’s part of being a football fan and it’s especially so when you’re quite opinionated.

Would I have removed Jesus yesterday? No. Would I have removed Odegaard? Depends on what Smith Rowe had been like in training.

On the other hand we felt he should pull Partey and he did…did it work? Not really

I have a feeling no matter who we brought on yesterday wouldn’t have made a difference, there was an air of panic in the team. We were cruising and West Ham reminded us we were in a game and like against Liverpool we did not respond in a way conducive to winning the game. We shit the bed

[Marc Overmars]

Hoping Saka is benched against Southampton.

Love the kid but I don’t think he’s been particularly good of late. I think we’re missing a trick not starting Trossard.

[Mac76]

@MO - agree, Trossard needs a start and Saka needs a rest

@HCZ - I think Jorginho on a normal day is better than Partey on a bad day so was the right move

as for ESR, i really have my doubts about whether he's going to make it here, i don't see how he fits in, he seems too much of a drift-in-and-out type

I'm much more concerned about making sure Nelson gets enough game time and that we keep him, i still think Arteta underestimates waht he can do, he is one of our very few potential game-changers

[IBK]

One suspects that Arteta is probably of the mindset that Jesus needs to avoid being played for 90 minutes given he’s only been back for a month, I feel that’s a mistake but I don’t have the benefit of seeing what he sees on the training pitch. He also may have felt that pulling Saka might have dented his confidence after the penalty miss. Who knows.

Or he worried that Jesus was going to get himself sent off after picking up a silly yellow card in the first half

That’s the problem, things might seem obvious but there might be more to it….or it could just be a tactical blunder from someone being Galaxy brained.

The thing is there won’t be a time where I think something should have been done differently, it’s part of being a football fan and it’s especially so when you’re quite opinionated.

Would I have removed Jesus yesterday? No. Would I have removed Odegaard? Depends on what Smith Rowe had been like in training.

On the other hand we felt he should pull Partey and he did…did it work? Not really

I have a feeling no matter who we brought on yesterday wouldn’t have made a difference, there was an air of panic in the team. We were cruising and West Ham reminded us we were in a game and like against Liverpool we did not respond in a way conducive to winning the game. We shit the bed

Agree with your post. The part in bold is particularly true. I suspect that even Citeh fans have felt the same about the best manager in the world at times this season. A manager who can never be criticised for a decision in a key moment does not exist, and it is astonishing to see the post above claiming its good news for us that there is talk of Arteta being chased by PSG is crazy.

We bottled it yesterday. Simple as. I agree that the subs were inconsequential yesterday. The manager was not responsible for Partey having his worst game this season, nor for the majority of our players being below par and far too casual once we went 0-2 up. It's not down to Arteta that we had injuries to 3 key players - nor even that if you take Saliba and Zinchenko out of our team the Arsenal machine misfires. We are not on financial steroids like the team who will win the league, and perhaps it was always going to be the case that we needed luck with injuries for the run in to finish top - that has deserted us when it counted.

Where the real disappointment comes for me is that similar to the sharp end of last season, our players cannot play the occasion. We have seen this twice in a row now. The quality of our team has improved, and our league position does not lie. But we remain brittle, and we lack the composure and self-belief to be champions. I feel that our last 2 games will be the analogy for our season. Excellent at times but thrown away when it counted. Its easy at the moment to feel that we will never reach the level that Citeh display season after season - consistency when it really matters. We have exceeded expectations, but it doesn't feel like that when we keep returning to type. I would have loved to prove all the sceptics wrong, but I don't think we will do so.

[IBK]

@MO - agree, Trossard needs a start and Saka needs a rest

@HCZ - I think Jorginho on a normal day is better than Partey on a bad day so was the right move

as for ESR, i really have my doubts about whether he's going to make it here, i don't see how he fits in, he seems too much of a drift-in-and-out type

I'm much more concerned about making sure Nelson gets enough game time and that we keep him, i still think Arteta underestimates waht he can do, he is one of our very few potential game-changers

Disappointing that he was given too little time to try to do so. But we had aready shat the bed at the time that the sub should have been made.