When will Arteta be sacked by

[Mac76]

It was a forgivable collapse initially but the way the season has fizzled out into a steaming bag of shit doesn’t sit well with me. From where we were, to now be looking at finishing possibly 10 points behind is a swing I don’t think anyone saw coming.

We were actually a very good team this season and deserved to be where we were. We knew City wouldn’t go away but we couldn’t have made it easier for them in the end. It was a procession when it should have been going to the wire.

Yeah, to think my main fear was whether those VAR-denied points v Brentford could cost us the title at least we don't have to worry about that anymore...

The real shame here is that what shoud have been seen as a very successful season will always be framed as a failure

Like you, I think we could have made it 50/50 up to the end and to me it's partly down the players' brittle mentality but mainly due to Arteta failing to manage his squad better and also failing to be more tactically astute in certain games. The more the season went on, his lack of a Plan B in terms of teams and tactics increasingly cost us IMO. His "they can play 70 games a season" mantra was always nonsense and has been proved to be so.

We can sit and say everyone will have learned lessons for next season, but for me the damage is longer-lasting in some respects. In particular Arteta's failing to give some players enough game time has really cost us, not just this season but also in terms of losing valuable assets which we'd now have to replace or will leave us even thinner.

I believe it was perfectly possible to give Tierney, Nelson etc enough game time that they'd have been keen to stay as part of the 'Project', instead we're facing an exodus of them plus Balogun while, it seems, hanging onto useless players like Eddie.

We've CL next season, the PL and also we can't be seen to dumping on the FAC this time, but if we're splurging all our spend on a few over-expensive players like Rice, how do we build the rest of the squad sufficiently?

[Marc Overmars]

Yep, me too.

Even the initial collapse was a little bit disappointing tbh.

We literally wrapped up the cup, put a bow on it, and left it back in the PL offices so that they could give it to City. Probably paid for the engraving as well!

It has been a total shit show for the last 8 games and unforgivable as there is no real explanation as to why it happened.

The West Ham and Southampton draws were incredibly careless and the defeat at the Etihad was inevitable. However it was still worth fighting for after that. Weirdly we pulled out one of our best performances of the season at Newcastle so I don’t believe we just ran out of steam. We absolutely should have made City work with 2 tricky away games to finish their season. It was a long shot but I can’t accept just downing tools because of a lack of belief. Liverpool demonstrated how relentless they were and that helped them become a monstrous team. They weren’t quitters like us.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Yeah, to think my main fear was whether those VAR-denied points v Brentford could cost us the title at least we don't have to worry about that anymore...

The real shame here is that what shoud have been seen as a very successful season will always be framed as a failure

Like you, I think we could have made it 50/50 up to the end and to me it's partly down the players' brittle mentality but mainly due to Arteta failing to manage his squad better and also failing to be more tactically astute in certain games. The more the season went on his plack of a Plan B in terms of teams and tactics increasingly cost us IMO. His "they can play 70 games a season" mantra was always nonsense and has been proved to be so.

We can sit and say everyone will have learned lessons for next season, but for me the damage is longer-lasting in some respects. In particular Arteta's failing to give some players enough game time has really cost us, not just this season but also in terms of losing valuable assets which we'd now have to replace or will leave us even thinner.

I believe it was perfectly possible to give Tierney, Nelson etc enough game time that they'd have been keen to stay as part of the 'Project', instead we're facing an exodus of them plus Balogun while, it seems, hanging onto useless players like Eddie.

We've CL next season, the PL and also we can't be seen to dumping on the FAC this time, but if we're splurging all our spend on a few over-expensive players like Rice, how do we build the rest of the squad sufficiently?

That's been my issue with Arteta as well.

Not changing things up, managing the squad correctly, letting players sit out games too often, etc.

All not good enough and you have to question his ability to take us further forward because of those things.

[KSE Comedy Club]

The West Ham and Southampton draws were incredibly careless and the defeat at the Etihad was inevitable. However it was still worth fighting for after that. Weirdly we pulled out one of our best performances of the season at Newcastle so I don’t believe we just ran out of steam. We absolutely should have made City work with 2 tricky away games to finish their season. It was a long shot but I can’t accept just downing tools because of a lack of belief. Liverpool demonstrated how relentless they were and that helped them become a monstrous team. They weren’t quitters like us.

Yes I agree.

I would even go so far as to say that, had we actually bothered to turn up against City, we may have held them to a draw or at the very least fought them hard enough that we could push on mentally and fight for the league until the very end.

We lost it at Anfield IMO.
the Xhaka thing was irrelevant I thought, it was the fact that we went 2 up and thought the game was done, same with West Ham, switched off completely.

Poor mentality to have and if you look back over the whole season, there were other games that we were clearly the better team, but were not ruthless enough and didn't score as many goals as we could.
The Southampton game was a joke, but I blame Arteta for that, for starting Vieira and leaving Jorge on the bench - unforgivable in the position we were in.

Also suddenly starting Holding for 3 games (when he was already not good enough last season) and then putting Kiwior in, who should've been the first choice regardless.

[Niall_Quinn]

Again, I urge people to look at last season and what a shit state the club was in. There was literally NO HOPE on any front. Everything was as shit as shit could be.

And then this season.

It's not a successful season in terms of trophies or prospective trophies. Let's face it, qualifying for the CL is meaningless in terms of anything other than cash and greedy badge kissing player retention. Which counts, in cynical terms. But not compared to City. We have literally zero chance of competing in the CL at any embarrassing level. Because we're nowhere near that yet.

However. We can kick a ball now. Make a pass. Play the ball upfield. Take a throw. Take a corner. And, most importantly, defend. The basics. All the things we'd forgotten. Now in place.

Next season is about building on that by addressing the elephant that has always been in the room since Wenger got intense heat and deviancy for Fabregas. And the whole cavalcade of bullshit that comes from being Barcelona with a Leicester City spending mentality. That insanity wrecked the core of the club and send us down a two decades spiral. It bred the PL out of the club and instilled a weakness that hasn't been addressed to this day. Cowardice in the face of the fight. The very opposite of Wenger's previous great love, Vieira. Paddy was SO, SO important to the club, it can't even be estimated. He was a weapon Wenger could simply deploy and so much took care of itself thereafter.

Never replaced. Instead, intense fragility in the middle. Artistic, for sure. But weak when the fight became close quarters. Flat track bullies who got raped when their fire was met with fire.

Now we have the dancing and prancing Odegard, who has all the qualities of Cesc, but even less in the bollocks department. And our new Denilson, Partey, minus the skill. Only Xhaka possessed an ounce of what's needed in the agricultural PL. And he's gone I hear. Oh dear, oh fuck. What's that all about? Makes not one ounce of sense unless a significant signing is on the horizon.

But the pansies remaining have at least learned the basics. So the real question is, can Arteta now install the fire? Don't know. He's never done it before but he deserves the chance, considering he's done what late-era Wenger and the other bloke never managed. Build a team that can compete to at least a competent degree in the PL.

Not sure how Arteta can be criticised from taking the impossible and moving it halfway to the improbable. But that's what he's done. He deserves at least one more season to see if he can do the second half of the job. I don't envy him.

[IBK]

Again, I urge people to look at last season and what a shit state the club was in. There was literally NO HOPE on any front. Everything was as shit as shit could be.

And then this season.

It's not a successful season in terms of trophies or prospective trophies. Let's face it, qualifying for the CL is meaningless in terms of anything other than cash and greedy badge kissing player retention. Which counts, in cynical terms. But not compared to City. We have literally zero chance of competing in the CL at any embarrassing level. Because we're nowhere near that yet.

However. We can kick a ball now. Make a pass. Play the ball upfield. Take a throw. Take a corner. And, most importantly, defend. The basics. All the things we'd forgotten. Now in place.

Next season is about building on that by addressing the elephant that has always been in the room since Wenger got intense heat and deviancy for Fabregas. And the whole cavalcade of bullshit that comes from being Barcelona with a Leicester City spending mentality. That insanity wrecked the core of the club and send us down a two decades spiral. It bred the PL out of the club and instilled a weakness that hasn't been addressed to this day. Cowardice in the face of the fight. The very opposite of Wenger's previous great love, Vieira. Paddy was SO, SO important to the club, it can't even be estimated. He was a weapon Wenger could simply deploy and so much took care of itself thereafter.

Never replaced. Instead, intense fragility in the middle. Artistic, for sure. But weak when the fight became close quarters. Flat track bullies who got raped when their fire was met with fire.

Now we have the dancing and prancing Odegard, who has all the qualities of Cesc, but even less in the bollocks department. And our new Denilson, Partey, minus the skill. Only Xhaka possessed an ounce of what's needed in the agricultural PL. And he's gone I hear. Oh dear, oh fuck. What's that all about? Makes not one ounce of sense unless a significant signing is on the horizon.

But the pansies remaining have at least learned the basics. So the real question is, can Arteta now install the fire? Don't know. He's never done it before but he deserves the chance, considering he's done what late-era Wenger and the other bloke never managed. Build a team that can compete to at least a competent degree in the PL.

Not sure how Arteta can be criticised from taking the impossible and moving it halfway to the improbable. But that's what he's done. He deserves at least one more season to see if he can do the second half of the job. I don't envy him.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I’m going to make a bet that based on Saturdays performance against Forest, Arteta will be gone by December

You can’t play like that and expect anything but humiliation

[Chippy]

Is it too early to start this again? Probably not.

Personally, I would do it now, just for signing Havertz. However, I would say by early January.

[Chippy]

Should be gone tonight as the longer we leave, the more damage he does

Based on new signings (Havertz and Rice) for around £165m, it should be now. However, he will leave after this season when we fail to get into the top four.

[Mac76]

Agree about Havertz but while Rice was silly money, he is a good player for us, it's worth really watching a bit more closely to see the difference he makes, he's not a showy payer but he does make things gel when on form and also can play some good forward passes, yesterday he was poor though

I think top four will be a struggle unless Arteta can get us to click in the PL soon