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HCZ_Reborn 2023/2024 Season prediction 05-07-2023, 11:40 AM
Niall_Quinn Fans will spend a lot of... 05-07-2023, 10:15 PM
Letters Really sticking your neck out... 05-07-2023, 10:17 PM
Niall_Quinn I'm focusing on the... 05-07-2023, 10:19 PM
HCZ_Reborn A fundamentalist? Who knew 06-07-2023, 12:58 AM
KSE Comedy Club We will win the league - 100% 06-07-2023, 08:05 AM
HCZ_Reborn I would say a bold prediction... 06-07-2023, 08:22 AM
WMUG Was there a similar thread... 06-07-2023, 08:24 AM
HCZ_Reborn Yes, yes there was (though I... 06-07-2023, 08:27 AM
KSE Comedy Club Yes I know, call me crazy but... 06-07-2023, 08:53 AM
Marc Overmars Nothing anyone does this... 06-07-2023, 09:01 AM
Mac76 Going with the list of 22-23... 06-07-2023, 11:53 AM
Globalgunner I pretty much see it the same... 06-07-2023, 05:37 PM
Chippy Better than making us think... 06-07-2023, 10:09 PM
HCZ_Reborn My first draft of a league... 31-07-2023, 08:16 AM
Mac76 I think our final place is... 31-07-2023, 09:17 AM
Marc Overmars I think City could be a... 31-07-2023, 09:22 AM
HCZ_Reborn Statistically when you have a... 31-07-2023, 09:42 AM
Mac76 someone can lack the... 31-07-2023, 09:56 AM
HCZ_Reborn No they are mutually... 31-07-2023, 10:20 AM
Mac76 wrong again, people who are... 31-07-2023, 10:42 AM
HCZ_Reborn Again No I’ve seen no... 31-07-2023, 11:01 AM
Mac76 I'm not necessarily talking... 31-07-2023, 03:22 PM
HCZ_Reborn I’m sorry but you’re... 31-07-2023, 03:44 PM
HCZ_Reborn https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/fo... 09-08-2023, 08:28 AM
Marc Overmars I’d say it’s based on recent... 09-08-2023, 10:00 AM
selassie I would be shocked if... 09-08-2023, 10:43 PM
mandela8 I don't think City will be as... 10-08-2023, 01:23 PM
mandela8 Not to say I think we'll... 10-08-2023, 01:27 PM
Mac76 I have a similar gut feeling... 10-08-2023, 03:49 PM
HCZ_Reborn Yeah Havertz is a bit of a... 10-08-2023, 04:18 PM
Marc Overmars I think we can challenge... 10-08-2023, 05:18 PM
HCZ_Reborn In terms of defence, clear to... 10-08-2023, 05:34 PM
Mac76 We absolutey need Timber, to... 10-08-2023, 05:51 PM
HCZ_Reborn The inverted left back thing... 10-08-2023, 05:59 PM
Mac76 Yes the ILB thing is BS, I... 11-08-2023, 08:16 AM
HCZ_Reborn Ah the Teacher’s pet argument... 11-08-2023, 08:27 AM
Mac76 Thing is, Hitler reputedly... 11-08-2023, 09:04 AM
HCZ_Reborn Hitler is something that... 11-08-2023, 09:24 AM
Mac76 You're carefully missing out... 11-08-2023, 09:32 AM
HCZ_Reborn No that wasn’t a driver for... 11-08-2023, 09:43 AM
HCZ_Reborn I have to say you really are... 11-08-2023, 10:10 AM
HCZ_Reborn Your problem is you’re... 11-08-2023, 09:36 AM
Mac76 Elneny isn't awful, he simply... 11-08-2023, 11:00 AM
HCZ_Reborn No he is, in my view he along... 11-08-2023, 11:44 AM
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn View Post
    The inverted left back thing is bullshit though, you know it, I know it. If we want an extra presence in midfield why not play Zinchenko there, have actually suggested as much we wouldn’t get rinsed so much on our left hand side. Timber is going to limit our options going forward and that’s why I wouldn’t play him on the left that much (or to be honest at all, because that would mean playing Ben White on the right and he’s not a fullback…I’d rather use him at centre back to rest Saliba and play Timber or Tomoyasu there)

    Don’t get me wrong wouldn’t play Zinchenko there in big games, as silly as playing Xhaka there…not going to deal with the high press, but Martinelli gets the ball more often and in a quicker time frame when that awful Ukrainian plays.


    Plus if your argument is based on the assumption that Arteta will use the inverted full back system come what may (which would be a likely correct prediction), you would also have to conclude that Zinchenko will be his first choice to play there when fit.
    Yes the ILB thing is BS, I suppose i'm just trying to be realistic and accept we'll play it, in which case Timber is a better option than Zin, who slows our game down and makes too many mistakes and should be sold

    I like the cut of Timber's jib, he has that Saliba-like calmness, though i realise it's not realistic to think Arteta will ever drop Zin if he's fit, he's another teacher's pet I think and can do no wrong in Arteta's eyes

    Also I don't agree with your Martinelli point, what i saw last season (watching all home games live) was both Zin and Xhaka regularly ignoring Martinelli and instead passing inside

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac76 View Post
    Yes the ILB thing is BS, I suppose i'm just trying to be realistic and accept we'll play it, in which case Timber is a better option than Zin, who slows our game down and makes too many mistakes amd should be sold

    I like the cut of Timber's jib, he has that Saliba-like calmness, though i realise it's not realistic to think Arteta will ever drop Zin if he's fit, he's another teacher's pet I think and can do no wrong in Arteta's eyes

    Also I don't agree with your Martinelli point, what i saw last season (watching all home games live) was both Zin and Xhaka regularly ignoring Martinelli and instead passing inside

    Ah the Teacher’s pet argument again. It’s a strange one unifying theory to rely on when it comes to players you don’t rate.


    Rightly or wrongly he specifically earmarked Zinchenko to play that position, I doubt he asked Pep about how good he was at blow jobs.


    It would just be easier at this point to accept that he has an infuriating tendency to play certain players to death. Willian wasn’t played constantly because of his willingness to wipe Arteta’s ring piece it was because Arteta wanted to prove what a genius signing he was….it’s the same hubris as underpins Havertz. He thinks he’s smarter and more of a lateral thinker than everyone else, if anything he could do with a lot less confidence and with caring what other people think.

    I apologise to other users for recycling this boring argument, but Arteta may be many things but insecure and in need of validation is not one of those things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn View Post
    Ah the Teacher’s pet argument again. It’s a strange one unifying theory to rely on when it comes to players you don’t rate.


    Rightly or wrongly he specifically earmarked Zinchenko to play that position, I doubt he asked Pep about how good he was at blow jobs.


    It would just be easier at this point to accept that he has an infuriating tendency to play certain players to death. Willian wasn’t played constantly because of his willingness to wipe Arteta’s ring piece it was because Arteta wanted to prove what a genius signing he was….it’s the same hubris as underpins Havertz. He thinks he’s smarter and more of a lateral thinker than everyone else, if anything he could do with a lot less confidence and with caring what other people think.

    I apologise to other users for recycling this boring argument, but Arteta may be many things but insecure and in need of validation is not one of those things.
    Thing is, Hitler reputedly only had one testicle and this was almost certainly, along with his being rejected as an artist, part of his determination to show he was just as much of a man as the next guy, even more so in fact as how many guys could claim to have conquered half of Europe?

    He shares the same arrogance and lack of self-reflection you talk about with Arteta and yet you fail to see that at the heart of it all is an essential insecurity

    And Hitler had his teacher's pets too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac76 View Post
    Thing is, Hitler reputedly only had one testicle and this was almost certainly, along with his being rejected as an artist, part of his determination to show he was just as much of a man as the next guy, even more so in fact as how many guys could claim to have conquered half of Europe?

    He shares the same arrogance and lack of self-reflection you talk about with Arteta and yet you fail to see that at the heart of it all is an essential insecurity

    And Hitler had his teacher's pets too...

    Hitler is something that Arteta does not appear to be, a narcissist. A narcassist would have railed against the criticism of his touchline antics, would have been unable to resist responding to Auba’s criticism. Arteta seems totally indifferent both to praise and criticism. It doesn’t matter what you think, it’s what he thinks that matters.


    Plus Everyone was Hitler’s teachers pet….anyone who didn’t address him as “Mein Fuhrer” probably could expect a visit from the Gestapo. Hitler just had people he thought were useful, Rohm was a good ally once until he no longer needed him or the street thugs of the SA…then he was shot in a prison cell after being arrested whilst found in bed with his chauffeur.

    Hitler was totally unforgiving of people who he felt were incompetent no matter how obsequious they were. He didn’t really have any friends, and often turned on people….even going back to his days giving stump speeches in Munich beer halls.

    Someone can lack self reflection and be insecure, it doesn’t make them synonymous. Hitler was insecure only in the sense that he hated his generals, because he felt they were rich academy trained snobs who looked down on him and resented the advancement of the Wehrmacht at the start of the war and took a more active role.

    Arteta doesn’t even seem to have this simmering resentment, what you’re talking about is projecting confidence to mask inner doubt. Arteta doesn’t have the inner doubt, and the only trait he shares with Hitler is a tendency to be callous with those who are no longer useful to him

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    You're carefully missing out my main point which was about motivation, what motivated Hitler - essential insecurity

    I think Arteta is the same, his thinking is very rigid and black and white because ae he lacks the confidence to think outside the box, and then whe he does * e.g. subbing Odegaard for Kivior) it shows he hasn't a clue

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac76 View Post
    You're carefully missing out my main point which was about motivation, what motivated Hitler - essential insecurity

    I think Arteta is the same, his thinking is very rigid and black and white because ae he lacks the confidence to think outside the box, and then whe he does * e.g. subbing Odegaard for Kivior) it shows he hasn't a clue

    No that wasn’t a driver for Hitler at all, Hitler like many dictators is driven by a sense of destiny. People speculate all the time that the Jewish pograms and the Holocaust was driven by a desire for revenge against the Jews because he believed the Jews were the ones who rejected his admission to the Vienna Art Academy. He was motivated by Nietschan philosophy in which he saw himself as the Ubermensch the superman who was destined for greatness, and to rule over others who lacked his will power and drive.

    The Jews were an objective enemy, totalitarian societies can only flourish if there is an outsider, an enemy who is the barrier of the false paradise a system like Nazism offers. I doubt he especially like Jews as he saw them as a corrupting influence and genetically inferior to the Aryan race. But antisemitism was common in Europe at this time and it’s just as likely that they were a convenient fall guy. Easy to sell the idea that the Jew is a parasite, when most non Jews already believed this.

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    I have to say you really are completely anchored to this “I think player is shit therefore only reason they are being played is because they wax Arteta’s car in the training ground” thing, especially to go full Hitler on it.

    As I said to you some time ago, I resigned myself to the fact that till the day I die whoever is manager they will play a player who I can’t stand.


    From as long as I can remember there have been such players for me….


    Ljungberg, Cygan, Denilson, Ramsey all spring to mind.


    Grimandi, Christopher Wreh…frankly Marc Overmars (one of the most overrated players to put on an Arsenal shirt) , Luhzny

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    Your problem is you’re starting from the unalterable belief that “X player is objectively bad” and therefore the conclusion must be that this player must only play because they are a boot licker. Now first problem is there are two boot lickers in the squad, Rob Holding and Mo Elneny. They don’t suck up to Arteta individually but to everyone, but like the Alec Baldwin character says in Glengarry Glenross “Nice guy? I don’t give a shit”. Holding is likely to be sold, and Elneny will only play if there’s no other option….why because they are awful players.

    Arteta is so convinced of his tactical genius, that I think you could get someone completely pulling apart his tactics and it wouldn’t dent him one bit. Wouldn’t even get cross like “who the fuck are you to question my genius?”. He’d just smile politely, hear the person out and do what he thinks is best. Almost Wenger like in that sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn View Post
    Your problem is you’re starting from the unalterable belief that “X player is objectively bad” and therefore the conclusion must be that this player must only play because they are a boot licker. Now first problem is there are two boot lickers in the squad, Rob Holding and Mo Elneny. They don’t suck up to Arteta individually but to everyone, but like the Alec Baldwin character says in Glengarry Glenross “Nice guy? I don’t give a shit”. Holding is likely to be sold, and Elneny will only play if there’s no other option….why because they are awful players.

    Arteta is so convinced of his tactical genius, that I think you could get someone completely pulling apart his tactics and it wouldn’t dent him one bit. Wouldn’t even get cross like “who the fuck are you to question my genius?”. He’d just smile politely, hear the person out and do what he thinks is best. Almost Wenger like in that sense
    Elneny isn't awful, he simply knows his limitations and plays a good game within them, I'd much rather ha e Elneny than ESR who is more yale ted but i creasingly lazy-looking and doesn't fulfil the expectation around him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac76 View Post
    Elneny isn't awful, he simply knows his limitations and plays a good game within them, I'd much rather ha e Elneny than ESR who is more yale ted but i creasingly lazy-looking and doesn't fulfil the expectation around him
    No he is, in my view he along with Holding and Lokonga one of the worst players at the club. No ball skills, for a big guy he’s remarkably in physical, can’t deal with being pressed. And now he serves about as much purpose to the footballing aspect of Arsenal as Win the Labrador.

    I was beside myself when we gave him a new contract. More annoyed than when we gave Xhaka a new contract.


    So case in point. I’m as sure as I am about Elneny as you are about Zinchenko…I don’t actually mind Zinchenko just don’t want him playing left back. I don’t think the only explanation for Elneny being at the club is that he takes Arteta’s kids to the park when he can’t be bothered (the whole teachers pet thing) because a) it would jar with what I know about people who absolutely need validation from others b) there is at least one person I know of who rates Elneny you. I think you’re off your fucking nut, but it’s just a different opinion and doesn’t require an explanation to be shoe horned in

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