Quote Originally Posted by Mac76 View Post
fair enough, I just think it was too blatant and too high-profile to let him carry on

and btw I'm in no way blind to how these things can in other circumstances get out of hand - there's a play called 'Oleanna' by Daivd Mamet which looks at exactly that, a college professer who puts his arm around a student when she's crying and ends up losing his job - I'm absolutely not in favour of that kind of thing, there has to be some kind of balance

See for me whether something is high profile or not is in of itself not a relevant consideration. However it can be helpful in determining whether this was a one off act of idiocy or whether it forms a pattern of behaviour. Now I would expect that if it was a deliberate act, that this would not have been his debut. One simply because of the sheer size of the event and two when considering the pathology of those who prey on women, it’s not something one simply takes up as an activity in their forties…they’d have a history of dodgy behaviour. Something even if it wasn’t known about wouldn’t take a half decent journalist much to uncover, from arse grabbing to unsolicited dick pics to being stalkerish….yet nothing has emerged on Rubiales which is why I feel more inclined to believe that this wasn’t sexually motivated.

In some ways it’s kind of why I think the feminist demand for boys to be better socialised is whilst well meaning essentially pissing into the wind. Not only that but I think it makes the fundamental mistake of believing it’s supported by male peers. I think most offenders know full well that what they are doing is wrong, they just think their own need for gratification outweighs any consideration of right and wrong.

The idea that it’s about power is oversold as well, the idea that women need to be put back in their place. If that was the case you’d find that Middle Aged women more likely to be in high power positions would be targeted for sexual assault, but in the vast majority of cases the victim is young and therefore it is about sexual desire.

Of course there are cultural factors, the attitude towards women in countries like India is derived from it being a society where male children enjoy higher status than their female counterparts. The Ripper case showed how attitudes towards women in this country was pretty poor, yes some of the victims were sex workers but not all of them but it shouldn’t have made their killings any less heinous in any event.

And I do think there’s something to this rise of Neo-Misogyny embodied by scumbags like Andrew Tate, though I think there’s a lot of barking up the wrong tree with Incels and often a lot of violent offenders are wrongly linked with the incel movement (Jake Davidson for instance).

But I think the main problem is that we think we’ve settled the matter of nature vs nurture in favour of the latter and that we can create a society where no man would ever try to rape a woman and I think that’s selling a lie. As long as there are people there will be evil behaviour.

Anyway that’s my miniature thesis on the subject