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[QUOTE=HCZ_Reborn;4597244]Well that's demonstrably untrue, you only have to look at Chelsea more recently and also Man Ure to know that spending loads of money doesn't work unless you get the right managerOriginally Posted by Mac76
[QUOTE=HCZ_Reborn;4597244]Well that's demonstrably untrue, you only have to look at Chelsea more recently and also Man Ure to know that spending loads of money doesn't work unless you get the right manager
[QUOTE=Mac76;4597246]It would be demonstrably untrue if I’d said that spending money is the only guarantee of winning things. Man United like Chelsea (more recently) have spent a lot of money on players that weren’t good enough or had the wrong attitude.
Chelsea’s high turnover of managers almost always accompanied a run of poor results, and in both cases their champions league wins were accompanied by poor league form. Three of their five titles were delivered by the same coach….so there’s an argument for retaining a sense of consistency
I’m not sure I’d back Arsenal being run in the same way as Chelsea however during the Abramovich era it was ridiculous how much they won despite the chaos. It was hard not to be envious when our supposed stability and consistency yielded nothing other than a few FA Cup wins.
[QUOTE=HCZ_Reborn;4597247]As George Graham showed when he went after the Cup Winners Cup the reality it sometimes helps if you focus on one competition - no Chelsea fan is complaining at a middling league position for the years they won the CL and nor would we
[QUOTE=Mac76;4597251]You mean the year we got to the final and lost ?
You’d have had a better example of the year later where we dispensed with Bruce Rioch despite getting UEFA cup football on the last day
[QUOTE=HCZ_Reborn;4597253]Well making a final would be progress of sorts
You mean the year we got to the final and lost ?
You’d have had a better example of the year later where we dispensed with Bruce Rioch despite getting UEFA cup football on the last day
but yes on my other point about being ruthless with managerss, the Rioch one is a good example of the approach we need to take
[QUOTE=Mac76;4597255]But that’s not the Chelsea approach which has been chaotic and any success largely attributable to the money pumped in. If I recall Rioch was on a deal for one year that we were able to extend but we chose not to. This is I think because Dein wanted to bring in Wenger when Graham went but was vetoed by Hill Wood (knowing Hill Wood something like “bah what would a Frenchy know about the English game”)
You can be ruthless without running a circus. We aren’t going to go beserk in the transfer market in a way that’s going to make things remotely sustainable (especially taking into consideration the cost of firing managers making pay outs and bringing in someone else) also it tends to mean you’re not going to get the best quality of coaches in. Because any decent coach will want time
I think you can argue Arteta has taken us as far as he can and I’d have no objection to parting ways with him at the end of the season (barring either a collapse or a miraculous turnaround). I think whatever this process or plan we have in place, it should be robust enough to survive his departure. But I don’t want us to have a revolving door hiring policy.
I think actually someone needs to be identified who we believe can get us the bare minimum of the title in the next three seasons
Last edited by HCZ_Reborn; 08-11-2024 at 01:00 PM.
[QUOTE=HCZ_Reborn;4597256]honestly it's just "lalalalala" with you isn't it - I'm talking about Abramovic's Chelsea not the mess they are now
and again pumping loads of money in doesn't help on its own, as Chelsea and Man Ure have been in the last few years, spending loads and now and being mid-table
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