This Weekend's Fixtures (21/22 December).

[HCZ_Reborn]

Nah. I don't think there's any real depth of humiliation Spurs could sink to that wouldn't make me chuckle.
Obviously I wanted Spurs to get something against Chelsea and Liverpool but on both occasions I can take some comfort in Spurs embarrassing themselves again.

Not for me. Spurs are an afterthought….ive never taken any pleasure from them losing when them getting a result would benefit us. Because I care more about us than them. They aren’t our rivals in any real sense currently ….plus frankly the dislike is bound in their geographic location relative to ours.

I actually hate Chelsea and City for how they’ve poisoned the game much more.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Anyway no further discussion on this matter. You won’t watch Liverpool games so there’s no point discussing it. Plus as I’ve said the element of fortune is not just the fortune they’ve had in their own games it’s the fact that we and City have shit the bed (no we haven’t collapsed as spectacularly as City but we’ve dropped 14 points from ten games)

[Letters]

Anyway no further discussion on this matter. You won’t watch Liverpool games so there’s no point discussing it.

You haven't exactly got a queue of people lining up to agree with you, fella.
In a previous discussion about this you actively had other people telling you that you were being ridiculous.

I also hate Chelsea and possibly City more than Spurs. The possibly being that I've never particularly had an issue with them as a club, unlike Chelsea, but I can't abide the media fawning over them and how rarely anyone calls them out on how they've achieved success. Overall I'd rather Spurs had won today but, given that they didn't, I'll take comfort where I can. And where I can is Spurs falling flat on their stupid faces again.

[HCZ_Reborn]

You haven't exactly got a queue of people lining up to agree with you, fella.
In a previous discussion about this you actively had other people telling you that you were being ridiculous.

I also hate Chelsea and possibly City more than Spurs. The possibly being that I've never particularly had an issue with them as a club, unlike Chelsea, but I can't abide the media fawning over them and how rarely anyone calls them out on how they've achieved success. Overall I'd rather Spurs had won today but, given that they didn't, I'll take comfort where I can. And where I can is Spurs falling flat on their stupid faces again.

What they claimed was ridiculous was me comparing Liverpool’s title run to Leicester’s title win in 2016

And I make the comparison because unlike sides where you think “oh yeah they look like title winners” I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop. And I maintain that it will, unfortunately I just don’t think we are going to benefit.

Plus do you need a consensus before you express an opinion?.

Liverpool last season finished on 82 points and I will be astounded if they top that. Will see how things fall for them in January when they are without Salah…whilst I think ultimately we are not good enough to capitalise…it may be that Chelsea do (although they will be missing Nicholas Jackson)

[HCZ_Reborn]

If I’m honest you seem convinced that I’m just refusing to acknowledge that Liverpool are this great side having an amazing season, because of some debate about Liverpool that I had on here five months ago as if somehow such a thing remotely matters to me.
What’s eating away at me is seeing a Liverpool side that I believe greatly inferior to us occupying the position that we should be in, and would be in (regardless of whether we’d signed a striker or not) if we had a coach better able to utilise the talent at his disposal.
Yes we were unlucky with injuries and suspensions too, but simply put…to be six points behind this Liverpool side having played a game more is to me an unforgivable travesty. The drop down in level between them and City at their relentless is gargantuan.
Whilst it’s not an excuse you haven’t had sides employing the deep block against Liverpool against us…well Forest did and they won.

[Letters]

Plus do you need a consensus before you express an opinion?.

Not consensus, but when someone is an expressing an opinion which I've literally not heard anyone else state then it does raise eyebrows.

Will see how things fall for them in January when they are without Salah

Why will they be without Salah? I spoke another friend about that and he told me it's not the ACON this season, that was last year.
If they do lose him then that would be a massive blow, I read this morning that he's become the first player in PL history to get in to double digits for both goals and assists before Christmas.

If I’m honest you seem convinced that I’m just refusing to acknowledge that Liverpool are this great side having an amazing season

You don't have to think they're a great side, but just dismissing it all as luck is more ludicrous with every passing game. That just feels like stubbornness, the reality is we both underestimated them. I didn't see them as serious contenders, just as I didn't foresee City falling off a cliff - you did better with that prediction but I don't think you could would have thought they'd be in literal relegation form. That's something we can all enjoy

to be six points behind this Liverpool side having played a game more is to me an unforgivable travesty.

"unforgivable travesty" seems like a bit of a Shakespearian overstatement, but I basically agree that we've dropped some stupid points and we should be closer to them. While they have a game in hand I'm still a bit happier with the league table than I was and I don't regard it as an unbridgeable gap. There is a long way to go.

[Marc Overmars]

Yeah there is no AFCON in January, it’s next winter.

Aside from Salah getting injured I’m not really sure what else can stop Liverpool. We will need a repeat of our second half of last season to make it interesting.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Not consensus, but when someone is an expressing an opinion which I've literally not heard anyone else state then it does raise eyebrows.


Why will they be without Salah? I spoke another friend about that and he told me it's not the ACON this season, that was last year.
If they do lose him then that would be a massive blow, I read this morning that he's become the first player in PL history to get in to double digits for both goals and assists before Christmas.



You don't have to think they're a great side, but just dismissing it all as luck is more ludicrous with every passing game. That just feels like stubbornness, the reality is we both underestimated them. I didn't see them as serious contenders, just as I didn't foresee City falling off a cliff - you did better with that prediction but I don't think you could would have thought they'd be in literal relegation form. That's something we can all enjoy


"unforgivable travesty" seems like a bit of a Shakespearian overstatement, but I basically agree that we've dropped some stupid points and we should be closer to them. While they have a game in hand I'm still a bit happier with the league table than I was and I don't regard it as an unbridgeable gap. There is a long way to go.

Please don’t tell me we are going to get to the point where I have to explain the qualitative difference between saying a team has been lucky and dismissing everything as just down to luck. Maybe it’s because you are interpreting what I’m saying in the way you are that means you haven’t heard the opinion from anyone else. When I talk about them not being that great I’m not talking like they are a mid table side, yes I’ve used the Leicester comparison but mainly because compared to the City team that dominated and the previous teams under Klopp they are a pale imitation…and I’ve been waiting for the other shoe to drop which it has in so far that a defence I think is not great at all has been shown as just that. Maybe Salah will simply have the kind of season where he does single handedly drag them over the line.




Yeah I don’t know where I got AFCON from, probably a case of forgetting which year we are in (or wishful thinking)

[Mac76]

You've definitely.underestimated Liverpool but also overestimated the opposition, this season is a welcome change from recent times when Citeh have been odds-on to win but now it's much more open as always every team has their faults

Liverpool have real quality up front in numbers - your dismissal of players like Gakpo is ridiculous - plus they're able to turn defence into attackuch more quickly than us amd Slot has wisely turned down the volume on the heavy metal to create a more sustainable way of playing

Salah yes is crucial and without him it's different but you could say that about a lot of teams - Wood at Forest for example

The only thing I'm annoyed ahout anywhere this season is those disgraceful decisions re Rice and Trossard, also I still think Saliba's was harsh given yellows awarded for very similar (or worse) incidents elsewhere and the fact they changed the original onfield decision.

The Citeh game in particular was a decision the whole football world should be up in arms about, it ruined a very good game apart from anything else

[HCZ_Reborn]

You've definitely.underestimated Liverpool but also overestimated the opposition, this season is a welcome change from recent times when Citeh have been odds-on to win but now it's much more open as always every team has their faults

Liverpool have real.quality up front in numbers, plus they're.able to turn defence into attackuch more quickly than us amd Slot has wisely.turned down the volume on the heavy metal to create a more sustainable way of playing

Salah yes is crucial and without him it's different but you could say that about a lot of teams - Wood at Forest for example

The only thing I'm annoyed ahout anywhere this season is those disgraceful decisions re Rice and Trossard, also I still think Saliba's was harsh given yellows awarded for very similar (or worse) incidents elsewhere and the fact they changed the original onfield decision.

The Citeh game in particular was a decision the whole football world shpuld be up in arms about, it ruined a very good game apart from anything else

Salah in terms of both goals and assists has been almost singularly crucial to Liverpool this season

I underestimated him still being able to produce that level at 32 for sure when he has looked like he was slowing down the last couple of seasons

The rest of the attack? Nunez is not what I’d call real quality nor Gakpo (yes I get you rate him, I don’t) . Jota could be if he stayed fit, and Diaz has technical ability but he blows hot and cold. Without Salah they simply would not be where they are now…no where near in fact

McAllister is Argentine Aaron Ramsey, Hungarian copy and paste is a poor man’s Odegaard

I couldn’t understand why Liverpool weren’t conceding many goals given how many chances they were coughing up, but that now seems to have evened itself out with them conceding 10 goals in the last 5 (any other season that wouldn’t be title winning defending but we have Arteta so can’t really punish them)

I haven’t enjoyed this season at all, basically it’s like you’ve been waiting years for a girl you like to dump the dickhead she’s with, only for you to trip up over your own shoelaces when your moment comes and some ugly weird bloke who was considered a lady’s man once but has let himself go, steps up and the girl goes off with him because your nose is planted firmly in the dirt.