Wenger Referendum II - And this time it's personal

[Letters]

What he did for Dortmund in the past 7-8 years is astonishing, from nearly bankrupt to one of the biggest clubs in the world. I

It's certainly astonishing how he took the champions of Germany and had them fighting off relegation within 3 years.

[Letters]

Letter's is full of shit with the stats. I doubt he follows Dortmund or Bundesliga and if this were Wenger's record, he'd be pointing out Dortmund's climb from the bottom to 7th and in touching distance of Europe as progress. Some bullshit stat with their last 10 games away or home record that makes it look more favourable.

Well no, if this were Wenger's record this season I'd expect him to be sacked. But it isn't Wenger's record this season, is it? In fact Wenger has never had a season that poor for Arsenal. We had a shaky start but we were never below 8th. And there were banners in the ground demanding his head. And now we're guaranteed a top 4 finish and we're in the Cup Final. Dortmund finished 2nd the last two years, miles and miles behind the champions though, and this year they've spent much of the season fighting relegation.
But yeah, Wenger's an idiot and Klopp is miles better

And don't ask him who he thinks would be a good successor because I doubt he watches enough leagues outside of the Prem to come up with an answer.

That much is true. I don't. But I can look up how some of the names that get bandied around on here are doing. The fact is any manager is a risk. No manager is guaranteed to succeed. That is no reason not to change managers of course, at some point we have to. But it's hilarious how most of the names mentioned on here have crashed and burned after flash in the pan success and how some of you judge other managers by completely different criteria than you do Wenger.

[Kano]

Ok, you seem to know that most of the 'names' mentioned on here have faded away. Who are the others that haven't who are worth trying out? You're alluding to knowing a list of names built up by people on here, aware that some have failed, so there must be one or two that you've heard of that still have their credentials intact. Otherwise you'd say all the managers mentions have crash and burned.

I'm asking again because your reaction to Klopp seems to be more of a reaction against posters digging at you, rather than the sort of 'balanced' argument you say you provide for Wenger. The easiest thing to do is dismiss something without any alternative suggestion.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Letters

The Animal Farm equivalent of Squealer on here, surely?

[Letters]

I'm asking again because your reaction to Klopp seems to be more of a reaction against posters digging at you, rather than the sort of 'balanced' argument you say you provide for Wenger. The easiest thing to do is dismiss something without any alternative suggestion.

I don't need to provide an alternative suggestion. I'm just amused by the fact that we finished top 4 and won the Cup last season, we're going to finish top 4 again this year and may well retain the Cup and Wenger has been called every name under the sun on here and is apparently an incompetent buffoon. Klopp has, overall, done very well at Dortmund but this season has been a car crash for them and yet some people are sucking his cock and proclaiming him 'the answer'. Weird

Given how critical people have been on here of Wenger this season, which could yet turn out to be a pretty decent one, I can't even imagine how they'd have posted had we been bottom after 20 games like Dortmund were.

Wenger has his flaws and some of them are maddening. All I'm saying is so will the next bloke. This over-criticising of Wenger and over-praising of other managers is ridiculous. If you really want me to name someone, someone who I think would definitely improve us and win us the title, it's Mourinho. And personally I wouldn't want that **** anywhere near our club.

This place really is tiresome. So few people seem to be able to think or reason in any shades of grey, the slightest suggestion from me that Wenger might actually not be a **** or an incompetent buffoon and apparently I defend everything he does and want him to be our manager forever

[Power n Glory]

Well no, if this were Wenger's record this season I'd expect him to be sacked. But it isn't Wenger's record this season, is it? In fact Wenger has never had a season that poor for Arsenal. We had a shaky start but we were never below 8th. And there were banners in the ground demanding his head. And now we're guaranteed a top 4 finish and we're in the Cup Final. Dortmund finished 2nd the last two years, miles and miles behind the champions though, and this year they've spent much of the season fighting relegation.
But yeah, Wenger's an idiot and Klopp is miles better


That much is true. I don't. But I can look up how some of the names that get bandied around on here are doing. The fact is any manager is a risk. No manager is guaranteed to succeed. That is no reason not to change managers of course, at some point we have to. But it's hilarious how most of the names mentioned on here have crashed and burned after flash in the pan success and how some of you judge other managers by completely different criteria than you do Wenger.

I'm not saying Wenger's an idiot. I'm saying you're the idiot!

[Power n Glory]

I don't need to provide an alternative suggestion. I'm just amused by the fact that we finished top 4 and won the Cup last season, we're going to finish top 4 again this year and may well retain the Cup and Wenger has been called every name under the sun on here and is apparently an incompetent buffoon. Klopp has, overall, done very well at Dortmund but this season has been a car crash for them and yet some people are sucking his cock and proclaiming him 'the answer'. Weird

Given how critical people have been on here of Wenger this season, which could yet turn out to be a pretty decent one, I can't even imagine how they'd have posted had we been bottom after 20 games like Dortmund were.

Wenger has his flaws and some of them are maddening. All I'm saying is so will the next bloke. This over-criticising of Wenger and over-praising of other managers is ridiculous. If you really want me to name someone, someone who I think would definitely improve us and win us the title, it's Mourinho. And personally I wouldn't want that **** anywhere near our club.

This place really is tiresome. So few people seem to be able to think or reason in any shades of grey, the slightest suggestion from me that Wenger might actually not be a **** or an incompetent buffoon and apparently I defend everything he does and want him to be our manager forever

An example of why you're an idiot.

[Letters]

Pretty much exactly what I'm talking about.
No attempt to engage with anything I said, no response to anything, just abuse.


GW

[GP]

Pretty much exactly what I'm talking about.
No attempt to engage with anything I said, no response to anything, just abuse.


GW

WUMs will WUM. It is known.

[Kano]

I don't need to provide an alternative suggestion. I'm just amused by the fact that we finished top 4 and won the Cup last season, we're going to finish top 4 again this year and may well retain the Cup and Wenger has been called every name under the sun on here and is apparently an incompetent buffoon. Klopp has, overall, done very well at Dortmund but this season has been a car crash for them and yet some people are sucking his cock and proclaiming him 'the answer'. Weird

Given how critical people have been on here of Wenger this season, which could yet turn out to be a pretty decent one, I can't even imagine how they'd have posted had we been bottom after 20 games like Dortmund were.

Wenger has his flaws and some of them are maddening. All I'm saying is so will the next bloke. This over-criticising of Wenger and over-praising of other managers is ridiculous. If you really want me to name someone, someone who I think would definitely improve us and win us the title, it's Mourinho. And personally I wouldn't want that **** anywhere near our club.

This place really is tiresome. So few people seem to be able to think or reason in any shades of grey, the slightest suggestion from me that Wenger might actually not be a **** or an incompetent buffoon and apparently I defend everything he does and want him to be our manager forever

Of course you don't have to name someone but I think it would give your argument more credibility. I don't come to this place as much as yourself nowadays but from what I read most people see Klopp as a possible answer rather than a guarantee of success.

Whether anyone admits it, every fan enjoys the 'security' Wenger gives us; always in the CL and just close enough to the top without ever completely losing sight. The stagnation and snail-paced improvement is maddening as hell but there is always hope because the team clings onto the elite. When he goes we'll all feel unsure about the future under the next guy. Starting afresh is scary for anyone. Forums are never a true reflection of reality, so sadly he'll get called every name under the until the frustration subsides. It is one of the massive contradictions by fans and none of us of are immune from displaying similar toward other clubs/players. But that doesn't reflect the fans true feelings to the guy. When he leaves I can't imagine a single Arsenal fan, or at least the many who understand his history here, without a lump in their throat.

Discussing a replacement is more of a certainty than how frustrated people are. The mood can change but a replacement will have to be sought. There's no escaping it. We all know Mourinho would never be accepted here so a discussion has to happen around other candidates. Realistic ones at that. Klopp is an obvious manager to put in the frame because of the many boxes he ticks. He's had a terrible season but can you think of a manager that has stuck with a team punching above their weight for years and stayed there successfully? They get picked off in the end by their rivals. Koeman may get put into the reckoning for the Arsenal job and although personally I'm not sure, you could understand why. Southampton will get ripped apart in the end and fall lower but that wouldn't make Koeman a bad manager. Let's not forget 'Arsene Who?' 19 years ago, a manager who arrived into the Premier carrying far less credibility than Klopp. Ideally we'd like a manager with age on his side, rather than plumping for one of the super-managers - like Maureen - who build short term projects and clear off onto the next one.