When will Arteta be sacked by

[IBK]

Except it’s not previously been a building block for us - in fact of the last five fa cups we’ve won, only once have we even challenged for the league the following season.

If you simply want us to win another FA cup as it’s five years since the last one, and like with the league cup a trophy is better than nothing…simply say so. But there’s no evidence of it ever being a staging post for something bigger.

Personally I’d rather prioritise the league, we probably have given ourselves too much to do thanks to Arteta but I think this Liverpool side (which has never won more than four games in a row so far this season) shouldnt be allowed to canter to the title

Like you say on the other thread, 2 things can be true at the same time. On balance I can see the argument for prioritising the league (albeit that I think it is beyond us) but I do think that this team needs a trophy to build on. We are (despite the general dsaffection) a better team than those post 2005 that won the FA Cup, and the ceiling is higher - but I think we need a shot of confidence.

[Letters]

I'm not sure I buy the stepping stone argument, but obviously I always want us to win trophies and the FA Cup is still one I care about.
As Ten Hag found out, it's not enough for a side with ambition, but it's not nothing.

[Marc Overmars]

The FA Cup has always meant something to me given that it’s linked to a lot of early memories following football and watching our success in it. I appreciate that the importance of the competition has taken a back seat now but a cup run is something I won’t turn my nose up at.

You don’t need to be a great team to win a cup, a lot of luck is involved so I do agree that even if we were to win it it shouldn’t hide how we’ve fallen short in the league.

[Mac76]

Like you say on the other thread, 2 things can be true at the same time. On balance I can see the argument for prioritising the league (albeit that I think it is beyond us) but I do think that this team needs a trophy to build on. We are (despite the general dsaffection) a better team than those post 2005 that won the FA Cup, and the ceiling is higher - but I think we need a shot of confidence.

Yes and I think particularly for a young side it's true they need to taste success - there's also the other factor that if we don't win anything they might start thinking they need to leave to do so.

[Marc Overmars]

I’ve backed Arteta fully over the last few seasons but I now cannot shake off the feeling that he’s taken us as far as he can. I think it’s unforgivable that after 5 years in the job and all the money spent we still have no reliable and recognised striker and our football has become so blunt and robotic. The fact set pieces represent our best opportunity to score is rather embarrassing too.

What a shame, after last season there was such a good platform to hopefully go one better but we’ve become so stale and difficult to watch.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I’ve wanted him gone since 2020. But honestly I don’t see the sense in crying over a league cup semi final match, bit like getting angry over losing a pre-season friendly

[KSE Comedy Club]

I’ve wanted him gone since 2020. But honestly I don’t see the sense in crying over a league cup semi final match, bit like getting angry over losing a pre-season friendly

I agree with the sentiment, but its actually going to be this and the next couple of games that make the believers wake up and smell the horseshit.

Don't get me wrong, I wanted Arteta to be the man to get us over the line, but the summer & this season so far has been so disgraceful and baffling that I just don't think he is.

In fact I would say, I know he isn't.

[Letters]

I’ve backed Arteta fully over the last few seasons but I now cannot shake off the feeling that he’s taken us as far as he can. I think it’s unforgivable that after 5 years in the job and all the money spent we still have no reliable and recognised striker and our football has become so blunt and robotic. The fact set pieces represent our best opportunity to score is rather embarrassing too.

What a shame, after last season there was such a good platform to hopefully go one better but we’ve become so stale and difficult to watch.

I don't disagree with any of that but I want to at least see how this season plays out. I don't think the board are going to sack him anyway unless the second half of the season is a complete car crash, but I don't think he's going to get us over the line of winning the biggest trophies either.

[IBK]

I’ve backed Arteta fully over the last few seasons but I now cannot shake off the feeling that he’s taken us as far as he can. I think it’s unforgivable that after 5 years in the job and all the money spent we still have no reliable and recognised striker and our football has become so blunt and robotic. The fact set pieces represent our best opportunity to score is rather embarrassing too.

What a shame, after last season there was such a good platform to hopefully go one better but we’ve become so stale and difficult to watch.

This sums up exactly how I feel, mate. Re Letters' post I don't think you are calling for Arteta's head as such, rather expressing your real concerns that we are plateauing under him.

I get HCZ saying that its the league cup so it doesn't matter. But for me its not the competition so much as the fact that essentially Newcastle swatted us aside. The sad fact is that I think they would half-expected to do so. Without Saka teams do not fear us - and most of the coaches in the league now seem to understand precisely how to blunt our mediocre front line - and have also worked out our set pieces.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I agree the sentiment, but its actually going to be this and the next couple of games that make the believers wake up and smell the horseshit.

Don't get me wrong, I wanted Arteta to be the man to get us over the line, but the summer & this season so far has been so disgraceful and baffling that I just don't think he is.

In fact I would say, I know he isn't.

Fair enough, I’ve never liked him on a personal level…just seems cold, passive aggressive and unpleasant. I’ve also never liked the football we played under him, but in terms of head to head against the bigger teams it’s clearly been bringing us success. I think people talking about regression have short memories…as this for me is Groundhog Day of where we were exactly a year ago. But the problem is hard of thinking people seem to think I’m saying this as a defence of the man when it’s the opposite.

I think people do absolutely also like throwing the baby out with the bath water and talk about another rebuild. I mean why…this is a very good squad that needs for me three players…cover for Odegaard or indeed someone who can play with him as part of a double pivot, cover for Saka and a striker.

I don’t trust Arteta to a) get in these players b) let go of his need either for the inverted full back or the no8 role. That kind of stubborn obsessiveness doesn’t auger a happy ending so he needs to go with minimum of ceremony.