Arsenal 0-1 West Ham Match Reaction

[Mac76]

There are goals, but this season our entire style of play has been turned upside down.

We don't counter with pace, we stop and hold up play when in good positions.
We spend too much time passing backwards and sideways.
Our general slow build up is the main cause of us not being able to 'break teams down' - if we actually ran at goal sometimes their defences wouldn't have time to organise themselves in tight military lines.
Our attackers look to pass out wide continually, instead of being more direct - our biggest reason for not scoring goals after......
Seemingly losing the ability to shoot on target!

I think Arteta's focus on defensive players and 100% possession is the major factor on all the above - -the team both newer and older players are being forced to try to their best in a stodgy system

I think our players are mostly capable of playing a more balnced style which yes sees us have a reasonable amount of control but is happy to pull back a little to create the space to then run behind and transition quickly

[Mac76]

City have a bigger job to do in my view

They have no idea what condition Rodri will be in after being out for so long. They have to replace defence, they have to replace De Bruyne and they have to contend with the fact that the spotlight will be very much on them even if they ultimately aren’t punished for their piss taking cheating.


Liverpool also have work to do. They will need replacements for Van Dijk and Salah

But Citeh and Liverpool have some key advantages

Given the choice I think most top quality players will choose title-winning teams, with experienced managers who have won things, over also-rans run by a rookie

And the elite players we have will start to have their heads turned soon if they lose the belief that they can win under Arteta

Rice's subbing was pure petulance by Arteta and to do it against West Ham was really humiliating, if he's not careful he will lose the dressing room and that will be a real issue

[HCZ_Reborn]

But Citeh and Liverpool have some key advantages

Given the choice I think most top quality players will choose title-winning teams, with experienced managers who have won things, over also-rans run by a rookie

And the elite players we have will start to have their heads turned soon if they lose the belief that they can win under Arteta

Rice's subbing was pure petulance by Arteta and to do it against West Ham was really humiliating, if he's not careful he will lose the dressing room and that will be a real issue

This in anyway presupposes that we would be going for the same kind of players to begin with. Man City will have the advantage because out of the three clubs they will be able to offer the most in wages and bonuses. Other than that, if you can sell a project to a player they will get on board

Plus is this your explanation for why Liverpool only signed a Juventus reject in the summer….potential players looked around and thought “who the fuck is this bald prick? Where’s Klopp?” I guess that’s laudable

Rice was shit on Saturday, absolutely stank the place out. I don’t hold him wholly responsible because he’s playing in a position he can’t play in. But I don’t know if you’re more annoyed about that or the fact that he brought on Zinchenko to replace him

[Niall_Quinn]

The Rice sub was ludicrous. One of the few players that can take a corner, and that's the only way we were going to score, that or a pen. Stupid move and even stupider replacement. Did Zin get a touch of the ball after coming on?

[Mac76]

This in anyway presupposes that we would be going for the same kind of players to begin with. Man City will have the advantage because out of the three clubs they will be able to offer the most in wages and bonuses. Other than that, if you can sell a project to a player they will get on board

Well that's all just designed to contradict what I just said

the project includes the club's recent track record and the credentials of its manager

Plus is this your explanation for why Liverpool only signed a Juventus reject in the summer….potential players looked around and thought “who the fuck is this bald prick? Where’s Klopp?” I guess that’s laudable

Maybe they already had a stronger squad with quality attacking options?

They've not done badly have they ?

Rice was shit on Saturday, absolutely stank the place out.

So was the whole team, Arteta doesn't normally haul players off so early and to bring on someone he almost never normally uses in midfield said to me he was doing it in retaliation for Rice's involvement in the goal

But hey you just carry on contradicting everything I say, whatever

[HCZ_Reborn]

Well that's all just designed to contradict what I just said

the project includes the club's recent track record and the credentials of its manager



Maybe they already had a stronger squad with quality attacking options?

They've not done badly have they ?



So was the whole team, Arteta doesn't normally haul players off so early and to bring on someone he almost never normally uses in midfield said to me he was doing it in retaliation for Rice's involvement in the goal

But hey you just carry on contradicting everything I say, whatever

Yeah it’s strange that, how someone if they don’t agree with someone will attempt to contradict the point they’ve made. I may not like you particularly, but I don’t play favourites if you say something I agree with I either say I agree with you or I say nothing at all because I’ve nothing to add to what you’ve said (strange as it may seem that does happen from time to time).

You don’t agree that City and Liverpool are in for a harder summer than us, and gave an explanation why….i didn’t take it personally I’m just telling you why I don’t agree.

Just like I don’t agree that there’s anything wrong with hauling a player off if he’s performing badly. That it’s unprecedented in Rice’s case is totally irrelevant. Plus assuming Rice is going to be upset with Arteta about it is an opinion but it’s also mind reading.

[HCZ_Reborn]

[Mac76]

The Rice sub was ludicrous. One of the few players that can take a corner, and that's the only way we were going to score, that or a pen. Stupid move and even stupider replacement. Did Zin get a touch of the ball after coming on?

indeed

and no I don't think so

[Mac76]

Plus assuming Rice is going to be upset with Arteta about it is an opinion but it’s also mind reading.

...which of course isn't something you do, e.g. after watching a heavily edited documentary

[HCZ_Reborn]

...which of course isn't something you do, e.g. after watching a heavily edited documentary

I still don’t get why people use the term heavily edited as if it’s relevant to any counter argument. Unless the suggestion is the editing was done to make Arteta appear even worse than he is, rather than a more sanitised version (because you’d think the club would have some editorial control over things). If it was heavily edited (which it might well have been) then Arteta could arguably be even worse than how he appeared in that documentary


But yeah saying what comes across in someone’s manner and body language which is a big part of what I have to analyse with clients, is definitely the same thing as you saying I’d be pissed off if Arteta did that to me and so I definitely know he’s alienated Rice

Do I know for definite that Arteta is passive aggressive, possibly on the spectrum, cold as your mother’s tit and in no way a people person? No but the indications are there.