Arsenal vs Crystal Palace 23.04.2025 - KO 20:00 GMT

[HCZ_Reborn]

Yeah but I noticed you didn't respond to my point about the claim you have been making all season, that we can't break down teams who pack the defence. I gave you direct evidence of us doing just that in this game. And mentioned it has been the long established way to break down defensive units, all through the different eras of the game. So you said - shit post, change the subject. I get it.

I’m not changing the subject I’m just stating that your posts are structured in a way that make them impossible to take in. You said something about putting more crosses in as if somehow we a) have a traditional centre forward to get on the end of them that b) most premier league defences wouldn’t gobble them up all day. If you’re arguing that we should put in more crosses fine, but it’s not the base metal into gold solution, it’s just alternating one form of struggling to break teams down with another.

Then you went on your usual uncontrolled rant which I think could be summed up as if you don’t see things the way I do, you’ve been brainwashed into believing Pep ball is the way forward.

You can go direct or route one if you’ve got a player that can hold up the ball under pressure or a big lump. We don’t….so yeah sure we can do that but ultimately it’s no bigger guarantee of success than what we are doing at the moment.

Do you think it’s just a coincidence that after 24 games we had scored 49 goals, and ten games later where for all of them we’ve been without a recognised striker and for many of them with Trossard and a teenager as our only competent attacking players we managed 63 goals (14 goals in ten games, and 4 of those came against an Ipswich side that’s given up)

It would make far more sense to me to criticise the lack of concentration that led to us conceding two goals. It’s a more realistic appraisal anyhow

[Niall_Quinn]

I’m not changing the subject I’m just stating that your posts are structured in a way that make them impossible to take in. You said something about putting more crosses in as if somehow we a) have a traditional centre forward to get on the end of them that b) most premier league defences wouldn’t gobble them up all day. If you’re arguing that we should put in more crosses fine, but it’s not the base metal into gold solution, it’s just alternating one form of struggling to break teams down with another.

Then you went on your usual uncontrolled rant which I think could be summed up as if you don’t see things the way I do, you’ve been brainwashed into believing Pep ball is the way forward.

You can go direct or route one if you’ve got a player that can hold up the ball under pressure or a big lump. We don’t….so yeah sure we can do that but ultimately it’s no bigger guarantee of success than what we are doing at the moment.

Do you think it’s just a coincidence that after 24 games we had scored 49 goals, and ten games later where for all of them we’ve been without a recognised striker and for many of them with Trossard and a teenager as our only competent attacking players we managed 63 goals (14 goals in ten games, and 4 of those came against an Ipswich side that’s given up)

It would make far more sense to me to criticise the lack of concentration that led to us conceding two goals. It’s a more realistic appraisal anyhow

So many diversions, all relying on the main issue being missed. We OPTED to play well below the levels we are capable of today. It was obviously a conscious decision. Certainly, as a result of choosing to do that, we dropped points. But that doesn't dismiss the choice to settle for a lower level of commitment to a game the club obviously deemed unimportant. That's been my complaint from the start - it's entirely unacceptable and highly disrespectful to the fans. If you disagree and find it acceptable for us to play like that, fine. But spare all the other BS about us not having the capacity to get the result today.

[HCZ_Reborn]

So many diversions, all relying on the main issue being missed. We OPTED to play well below the levels we are capable of today. It was obviously a conscious decision. Certainly, as a result of choosing to do that, we dropped points. But that doesn't dismiss the choice to settle for a lower level of commitment to a game the club obviously deemed unimportant. That's been my complaint from the start - it's entirely unacceptable and highly disrespectful to the fans. If you disagree and find it acceptable for us to play like that, fine. But spare all the other BS about us not having the capacity to get the result today.

I’m sorry, aren’t you the person who a few messages back lectured me on making an either or binary argument with nothing in between.

Where have I said the result is acceptable ?

I disagree that we have consciously chosen to play the way we did. For me it’s a mixture of a) human nature where no matter how much you might have been told not to think about the semi final and how you might miss it if you think twice about putting in x tackle or running x amount of kilometres and it might make you hesitant in your reactions and b) playing against a team that like many premier league teams plays to our weakness…not having a consistent attack or even attacking focal point to help break down obdurate teams.

So no, I’m sorry to say you asserting something is obvious is just an assertion

[Niall_Quinn]

I’m sorry, aren’t you the person who a few messages back lectured me on making an either or binary argument with nothing in between.

Where have I said the result is acceptable ?

I disagree that we have consciously chosen to play the way we did. For me it’s a mixture of a) human nature where no matter how much you might have been told not to think about the semi final and how you might miss it if you think twice about putting in x tackle or running x amount of kilometres and it might make you hesitant in your reactions and b) playing against a team that like many premier league teams plays to our weakness…not having a consistent attack or even attacking focal point to help break down obdurate teams.

So no, I’m sorry to say you asserting something is obvious is just an assertion

Didn't say you said you find it acceptable. I said, "if". Then you go on to speculate that we didn't put in the required effort today because it's human nature, supported by another claim that breaking down defences is our weakness, despite the stats I gave you.