Arsenal vs Paris St Germain - 29.04.2025 - KO 20:00 GMT

[HCZ_Reborn]

Exactly what I thought happened came to pass and you're telling me it's a fallacy. I said this before we played this match not only after!

Post Hoc Fallacy. This thing happened after the other thing therefore because of that thing

It’s like sneezing and a car alarm goes off half way down the street and saying the sneeze caused that

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Post Hoc Fallacy. This thing happened after the other thing therefore because of that thing

It’s like sneezing and a car alarm goes off half way down the street and saying the sneeze caused that

If we showed our professionalism in the previous game I'd have no case to present.

I've seen this so many times from us an yet I'm being told I am creating fallacies.

Your example is ridiculous and you know it. How many times have you heard about momentum in football.

Now how many times have you heard about sneezing in preparation for a game of this magnitude.

Why you don't want us to be leaving no stone unturned and leaving nothing to chance I cannot fathom.

You said we were pussies so clearly you don't think we've left everything out there, so why not?

Sneezing and car alarms I guess.

[HCZ_Reborn]

If we showed our professionalism in the previous game I'd have no case to present.

I've seen this so many times from us an yet I'm being told I am creating fallacies.

Your example is ridiculous and you know it. How many times have you heard about momentum in football.

Now how many times have you heard about sneezing in preparation for a game of this magnitude.

Why you don't want us to be leaving no stone unturned and leaving nothing to chance I cannot fathom.

You said we were pussies so clearly you don't think we've left everything out there, so why not?

Sneezing and car alarms I guess.

Don’t normally see this from you….but it’s good to see you’ve got a bit of fire alongside your vidiprinter duties

Yeah I think we were pussies out there, but your problem is you have no substantive evidence that this has anything to do with a game six days earlier.

I think the bigger problem (and god help me for saying this) is as Mac pointed out the lack of Partey and Arteta had two weeks to come up with a solution and he chose the safest option with Merino.

This season there has been very little overlap between the league and the champions league in terms of both performances and results.

Also, if what you say about momentum is true. How come PSG who lost 3-1 at home to Nice made us look like a bunch of Charlies?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Don’t normally see this from you….but it’s good to see you’ve got a bit of fire alongside your vidiprinter duties

Yeah I think we were pussies out there, but your problem is you have no substantive evidence that this has anything to do with a game six days earlier.

I think the bigger problem (and god help me for saying this) is as Mac pointed out the lack of Partey and Arteta had two weeks to come up with a solution and he chose the safest option with Merino.

This season there has been very little overlap between the league and the champions league in terms of both performances and results.

Also, if what you say about momentum is true. How come PSG who lost 3-1 at home to Nice made us look like a bunch of Charlies?

Again like I said before, I care about what works for US, not other teams.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Again like I said before, I care about what works for US, not other teams.

What works for us apparently is not having a semi fit Saka, Rice not acting like an effeminate Nancy boy when asked to play his natural position, Merino in central midfield and Timber playing like an actual slag.

I wanted to beat Palace as much as you did, but again I just can’t see any connection between that game and tonight.


I’m sorry I just can’t.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

What works for us apparently is not having a semi fit Saka, Rice not acting like an effeminate Nancy boy when asked to play his natural position, Merino in central midfield and Timber playing like an actual slag.

I wanted to beat Palace as much as you did, but again I just can’t see any connection between that game and tonight.


I’m sorry I just can’t.

Sure ok. Speak again next season when the same scenario comes up.

[Niall_Quinn]

What works for us apparently is not having a semi fit Saka, Rice not acting like an effeminate Nancy boy when asked to play his natural position, Merino in central midfield and Timber playing like an actual slag.

I wanted to beat Palace as much as you did, but again I just can’t see any connection between that game and tonight.


I’m sorry I just can’t.

There's literally two decades of examples. Even with the Invincibles, we fucking knew when they were slacking off, and they did. And they were innvincible by the skin of their teeth, some of those games were knife-edge because the boys took a day off. Then there are the world famous collpases. Usuaily ushered in by not bothering to turn up for cup games. Then there goes the league followed by Europe all in the space of weeks - you never saw any of that?

Best streak of momentum I can recall is when not just the first team but also the reserves were putting it out there, 100%, game after game and you couldn't tell the difference between them. I remember going into games KNOWING we'd win - that was a given. I;d be pissed sometimes because the performance was not all it could be, or because we'd slack off after the 4th goal.

I get injuries and season demands - but we have a fucking ton of injuries anyway, playing pitter patter! Throw it all on the line and see who's left standing. Only way to play sport, every time. It's what winners do. It's the reason everyone KNEW we wouldn't catch City, or City would overhaul us, because we all said - they won't lose a single game.

MOMENTUM. Counts.

[HCZ_Reborn]

There's literally two decades of examples. Even with the Invincibles, we fucking knew when they were slacking off, and they did. And they were innvincible by the skin of their teeth, some of those games were knife-edge because the boys took a day off. Then there are the world famous collpases. Usuaily ushered in by not bothering to turn up for cup games. Then there goes the league followed by Europe all in the space of weeks - you never saw any of that?

Best streak of momentum I can recall is when not just the first team but also the reserves were putting it out there, 100%, game after game and you couldn't tell the difference between them. I remember going into games KNOWING we'd win - that was a given. I;d be pissed sometimes because the performance was not all it could be, or because we'd slack off after the 4th goal.

I get injuries and season demands - but we have a fucking ton of injuries anyway, playing pitter patter! Throw it all on the line and see who's left standing. Only way to play sport, every time. It's what winners do. It's the reason everyone KNEW we wouldn't catch City, or City would overhaul us, because we all said - they won't lose a single game.

MOMENTUM. Counts.

It clearly didn’t count for PSG tonight

As I keep saying it’s not an either or. This season momentum has meant fuck all to us because we’ve never had any. We’ve got to the semi finals despite never winning more than three league games in a row all season.

Momentum can be very important of course in football. What I’m dismissing is the false binary that it’s either always important or never important. And this season, it’s been largely peripheral for us.

The most obvious factors in tonight’s defeat were missing Partey and PSG making us behave like a load of cowards when it came to 50/50 balls. We could have pulverised Palace and that would have still been a problem for us tonight

[Mac76]

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Also, if what you say about momentum is true. How come PSG who lost 3-1 at home to Nice made us look like a bunch of Charlies?

I guess there really is a full moon

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

Don’t normally see this from you….but it’s good to see you’ve got a bit of fire alongside your vidiprinter duties

Yeah I think we were pussies out there, but your problem is you have no substantive evidence that this has anything to do with a game six days earlier.

I think the bigger problem (and god help me for saying this) is as Mac pointed out the lack of Partey and Arteta had two weeks to come up with a solution and he chose the safest option with Merino.

This season there has been very little overlap between the league and the champions league in terms of both performances and results.

Also, if what you say about momentum is true. How come PSG who lost 3-1 at home to Nice made us look like a bunch of Charlies?

HCZ there is no way you are going to win an argument against momentum in football as their is more than a 100 years of stats to show it exists and is a real thing.

Anyway, one thing I think you are failing to consider is the Home and Away element to our performances this season.

What I mean is we had spells where we had a few games at home in a row, and one bad result just kept pulling more of the same.

If I am correct, the crucial period earlier this year (or was it late last year) where we had like 3 or 4 home games in a row and we ended not winning any (or was it winning one), which I think resulted in us exiting one of the cups.

Anyway, its difficult to come to the same stadium where you inexcusably let people down 7 days ago and pull out a world beating performances in front of the same crowd especially when the opposition has scored within the first 4 mins..... come on, both the fans and the players are actually human.

EDIT: Found what I was looking for, it was in January, 5 games at home in a 2 week period

LLWDW

Started of with Newcastle beating is in the 1st leg of the semi (CC), Man U dumping us out of the FA cup 3 days later, our 3rd best performance this season in front of the fans at home against Spuds (IIRC), A draw against Villa and an expected win against Zagreb in the CL.

Make of the stats what you will, but I see a pattern.