Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit.

[Power n Glory]

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Spurs signed Lloris yonks ago. Very harsh to penalise Wenger for a signing made so long ago. He's finally addressing the goalkeeper issue so why bring up past signings that happended 4/5 years ago?

If you don't trust Wenger with signings I doubt you'd cut him any slack for spending £20m on a keeper that's developing and if he had the sort of seasons De Gea had for Utd when first arriving, you wouldn't praise the pur

33 isn't old for a keeper. Young keepers getting first team action is very rare. When we signed Lehman and when Utd signed Van der Sar, they were older signings compared to Cech. I don't know what the problem is. I'm often criticak of Wenger mistakes but this isn't one of them. Seems like you'rd take every opportunity to beat him down with whatever decision he makes. It just gives ammunition to guys like Letters who thinks their is an agenda against Wenger.[/QUOTE

What are you thinking about when you say it's harsh to penalise Wenger for signings made long ago - we haven't had decent keeper since Seaman, please explain who's fault that is. No DM since Gilberto, no striker since RVP but whatever we do let's not blame the bloke who's job it is to buy these players

We’ve just signed a decent keeper. It makes no sense to talk about a keeper we missed out on 4/5 years ago. Wenger’s in charge and he’s made a lot of blunders in the transfer market but some of the stuff you’ve said over the past few days about our policy makes no sense. We’d be repeating the same mistakes we made years which is what you’re blasting Wenger for now.

Stuff like this….

most of our scouts have defected to Spurs over the past few years ( because of pay & Wengers running of the academy ) & we don't seem to have replaced them, so lets nick their ideas for a change & buy for the future.

We also have to think of Zelalem & the young Polish lad. If they are ever going to given a chance they need to replace the likes of Arteta & Rosicky as back up midfielders.

But how will we know when Bielek & Zelalem are ready for the 1st team? - Rooney was playing for Everton at 16, Messi for Barca at 17, Ronaldo in Portugal the same. They were given their chances because they didn't have 2 or 3 old farts ahead of them who had already had plenty of time to claim a 1st team spot. Why do we always seem to think players are too young under 20 when the two very best players in the world were given their chance in their teens.

You do realise those same scouts that went to Spurs are probably the same guys that found Denilson, Bendy, Flappy and Chesney? You do realise this is how Chesney got his chance in the first team and why we didn’t sign a player like Lloris in the first place? This is the type of thinking that falls into line with Wenger’s biggest blunders and why players like Denilson and Sanogo get way too many games. The stuff we blame him for. He bought young and gave them game time to aide their development which hindered our title chances.

The GK and DM problems you mention are direct results of project youth and a policy you’re now saying we should resort back to. Yes, we may find gems like Coquelin and Bellerin but young players are inconsistent. We’ve seen it. Putting too much faith in their development and guaranteeing them game time is what’s kept us from reaching our full potential during the Cesc era. I don’t want to see a repeat of Wenger doing Reyes type signings and splashing huge sums on players that might not ever live up to the price tag. We need a balance of youth and experience.

[Letters]

Someone pick me up - we've made a signing and its not even August yet. Is it Cech, is it Martinez, is it Schneiderlain - No, its Vlad Dragomir, a 16 year old midfielder from the European powerhouse of ACS Timisoara.

Probably older than Fabregas was when we signed him
For every Fabregas there's going to be several Denilsons of course, but nothing wrong with signing some young prospects so long as it's not all we do.

[dostoy]

I don't think we are going to sign Jackson Martinez as he is going to Atletico Madrid.

If we get Aubameyang I will be very happy, that's who I said on here weeks ago was who we need.

It looks like we are going to sign Cech which I am not happy about and its going to take a lot of getting used to.

[Dein-machine]

Probably older than Fabregas was when we signed him
For every Fabregas there's going to be several Denilsons of course, but nothing wrong with signing some young prospects so long as it's not all we do.

Agreed - its just when you go onto a transfer site & see the headlines Arsenal make 1st signing - its always a bit of a downer to find its a 16 year old Vampire.

[Power n Glory]

Weren't you just saying we should be giving under 20s a chance and getting rid of old players like Rosicky?

[Dein-machine]

Weren't you just saying we should be giving under 20s a chance and getting rid of old players like Rosicky?

Yes, for the squad - when i see transfer news I expect it to be for players that will come straight into our starting 11. If we are to compete with Chelsea next year we need to strengthen the spine of our team with quality. As I've said before thanks to the manager that you feel I am too harsh on we don't have a quality keeper (yet), proven DM & goalscorer - which unlike you concerns me, bearing in mind he's the longest serving manager in the game.

[Power n Glory]

Yes, for the squad - when i see transfer news I expect it to be for players that will come straight into our starting 11. If we are to compete with Chelsea next year we need to strengthen the spine of our team with quality. As I've said before thanks to the manager that you feel I am too harsh on we don't have a quality keeper (yet), proven DM & goalscorer - which unlike you concerns me, bearing in mind he's the longest serving manager in the game.

No, I feel your argument on Cech is harsh and your ideas are all over the place. Cech is too old, this guy is too young, we need to able to challenge for the title next year but you're willing to spend big money on a young player that's first team ready but may need a few seasons in the first team to adapt and develop (Like De Gea). You see how that's confusing.

[Dein-machine]

No, I feel your argument on Cech is harsh and your ideas are all over the place. Cech is too old, this guy is too young, we need to able to challenge for the title next year but you're willing to spend big money on a young player that's first team ready but may need a few seasons in the first team to adapt and develop (Like De Gea). You see how that's confusing.

Its not harsh - I have stated that Cech is better then what we have, so ofcourse this should be a plus. However, if Utd had taken the same line & bought an older experienced keeper instead of De Gea, then they'd be worse off now. If you want players that are better than what we have in certain positions but not as good as what our competitors have then you'll probably get your top 4 place for years to come. My point is - if we want to seriously compete for the title with Chelsea we need a Courtois instead of a Cech in the same way we need a Costa instead of a Giroud. This signing will simply mean it'll be another 5 years without a top keeper that can improve - all the while Cech getting older & slower, making more errors.

[Dein-machine]

[QUOTE=Power_n_Glory;464287]No, I feel your argument on Cech is harsh and your ideas are all over the place. Cech is too old, this guy is too young, we need to able to challenge for the title next year but you're willing to spend big money on a young player that's first team ready but may need a few seasons in the first team to adapt and develop (Like De Gea). You see how that's confusing.[/QUOTE

Your argument seems to be based on you thinking than young signings will automatically result in disaster. Who's the keeper of the European Champions, how old is he.

[Dein-machine]

I don't think we are going to sign Jackson Martinez as he is going to Atletico Madrid.

If we get Aubameyang I will be very happy, that's who I said on here weeks ago was who we need.

It looks like we are going to sign Cech which I am not happy about and its going to take a lot of getting used to.

Not really seen enough of Aubameyang - is he a good finisher or is he just a quicker Danny Welback?