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    Quote Originally Posted by Dein-machine View Post
    Yep - your right, Wengers on £150,000 a week to finish ahead of Spurs.
    Were you the same guy who said you'd rather have Pulis as Arsenal manager because he'd at least beaten Mourinho?

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    Right now I wouldn't swap Santi for anyone in centre mid alongside Coq. With Wilshere and Ramsey as back up we have pretty good depth there. An upgrade on Coq would have been good but I can understand why he's being given the chance. I think we're a top class striker away from challenging. But he may decide to go with Sanchez down the middle.

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    Make it happen, Wenger


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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    Were you the same guy who said you'd rather have Pulis as Arsenal manager because he'd at least beaten Mourinho?

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    Afraid not Herbie, although whoever said it isn't far from my views on Wenger. I will say however, I would expect Eddie Howe, who has never managed in the P.L. or C.L., given the players we have & the money we have to spend to do a better job as Arsenal manager than Wenger - simply because the glaring problem areas would have to be addressed by someone needing to make he's own stamp on the team & tactically I think Wenger is hopeless.

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    To be fair I think a lot of your arguments smack of familiarity breeding contempt

    As much as I think Wenger is a relic and a stubborn old goat who arguably needs to be put out to pasture if we are going to make the step up to the next level, I think it's totally supposition and rather disingenuous to suggest that a mid table manager would have done a better job than Wenger. Wenger is currently for me at the level of someone like Van Gaal who is also in many respects a relic and a tactical dinosaur who only now is spending money on players in the required positions.

    We have seen at Man United what happens when you let mid table managers take charge of big clubs.

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    Nothing wrong with a midtable manager. You have to start somewhere. As long as they show promise and push low quality players beyond the usual standard and actually win something. We can't bring in someone that has no credentials at all or a similar playing philosophy to what we have and then expect champagne football.

    Wenger's done a good job but he's let himself back and should be known as one of the greats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    To be fair I think a lot of your arguments smack of familiarity breeding contempt

    As much as I think Wenger is a relic and a stubborn old goat who arguably needs to be put out to pasture if we are going to make the step up to the next level, I think it's totally supposition and rather disingenuous to suggest that a mid table manager would have done a better job than Wenger. Wenger is currently for me at the level of someone like Van Gaal who is also in many respects a relic and a tactical dinosaur who only now is spending money on players in the required positions.

    We have seen at Man United what happens when you let mid table managers take charge of big clubs.
    Van Gaal is only starting his 2nd season. In his 1st he has got them back into Champions league with a team that he mostly inherited. Yes, he is spending money but in areas that are necessary to improve the team,, exactly like Mourinho did last year.
    Moyes fucked it up - agreed. Rodgers was a Gerrard slip away from winning the league with Liverpool - he was a mid table manager with Swansea. Who's to know what someone like Howe could do at Arsenal. What I do know is that he would know what needs improving & improve it, get rid of the deadwood that is stinking up our squad & be able to adapt tactically to the opposition we are playing - Wenger continues to prove that he is unable to do these things.

    Wenger is the only one that can change my opinion of Wenger & this transfer window just emphasizes that he is not changing, doesn't want to change & incapable of learning lessons from previous years. His efforts over the years have left us finacially well set but frustrated on the football front. He is now the main reason this football club fails to progress - a shame for what he has done for us but we really do need a change in order to move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    Nothing wrong with a midtable manager. You have to start somewhere. As long as they show promise and push low quality players beyond the usual standard and actually win something. We can't bring in someone that has no credentials at all or a similar playing philosophy to what we have and then expect champagne football.

    Wenger's done a good job but he's let himself back and should be known as one of the greats.
    By mid table manager I don't mean someone who is managing a mid table club, I mean one who is of the level of managing a mid table club. Managers like Moyes, Pardew and Pulis are of this level....they are very good managers of mid table clubs but don't have the ability to manage higher than their current level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dein-machine View Post
    Van Gaal is only starting his 2nd season. In his 1st he has got them back into Champions league with a team that he mostly inherited. Yes, he is spending money but in areas that are necessary to improve the team,, exactly like Mourinho did last year.
    Moyes fucked it up - agreed. Rodgers was a Gerrard slip away from winning the league with Liverpool - he was a mid table manager with Swansea. Who's to know what someone like Howe could do at Arsenal. What I do know is that he would know what needs improving & improve it, get rid of the deadwood that is stinking up our squad & be able to adapt tactically to the opposition we are playing - Wenger continues to prove that he is unable to do these things.

    Wenger is the only one that can change my opinion of Wenger & this transfer window just emphasizes that he is not changing, doesn't want to change & incapable of learning lessons from previous years. His efforts over the years have left us finacially well set but frustrated on the football front. He is now the main reason this football club fails to progress - a shame for what he has done for us but we really do need a change in order to move on.
    Van Gaal did exactly the same thing Wenger did last season, they had to play for a good deal of the season with wingers playing full back and defenders from the youth team. To make the claim that because he has signed Schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger he automatically is a better manager than Wenger is a joke.
    Remind me exactly how many games he won away from home last season?
    He finished behind us despite not having to contend with European football or the league cup for that matter after getting absolutely battered by a lower league side.
    Van Gaal is better than Moyes no argument there, but better than Wenger? I think he's got a lot to do to convince me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    Van Gaal did exactly the same thing Wenger did last season, they had to play for a good deal of the season with wingers playing full back and defenders from the youth team. To make the claim that because he has signed Schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger he automatically is a better manager than Wenger is a joke.
    Remind me exactly how many games he won away from home last season?
    He finished behind us despite not having to contend with European football or the league cup for that matter after getting absolutely battered by a lower league side.
    Van Gaal is better than Moyes no argument there, but better than Wenger? I think he's got a lot to do to convince me.
    What planet are you on - How can you compare Wenger & Van Gaal when the Dutchman's only been in the job 2 minutes. Wengers had 2 decades on Van Gaal, so when you say he had to do the same last year with youth defenders & wingers playing full back - its understandable when you inherit a squad, NOT when you've been there for 20 years!.
    If you want to be petty a compare silly things like away records with 2 guys who are miles apart in comparison when you look at the time they have had in their jobs, who's been more successful in winning titles & in Europe?
    You need to take your rose tinted glasses off when it comes to Wenger & realise that he is a very lucky man to still be in a job after the false promises he served up for a decade.

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