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    Quote Originally Posted by Syn View Post
    We've got a chance. Mostly depends on players staying injury free and Ozil establishing himself as the best player in the league.
    Injury free Syn really !!!

    We always have loads of injuries, I hope this changes but can't see it happening.

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    If we can beat Chelsea in a game then we can win the league. I do think we need to beat Chelsea to really believe we can win the league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dostoy View Post
    Injury free Syn really !!!

    We always have loads of injuries, I hope this changes but can't see it happening.
    Chelsea won the league at a canter last year with one of the smallest squads in the league.
    They can do that because they doubled down on their fitness/medical staff and facilities. Turns out investing in your infrastructure is a smart move.

    Injuries are inevitable, but we could do more to mitigate the long lay-offs and endless complications.
    Fortunately it looks like this is also the sort of investment we are starting to make.

    The scouting should be next on the overhaul list by the sounds of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Overmars View Post
    I don't think Wenger is good enough to extract that extra 10% needed to put us on the right side of those fine margins. Our seasons are always night and day in how we perform, there's never a consistent spread and that's why we never come close.

    Only way I see us possibly winning the league is if we make more signings cut from the same cloth as Alexis, players who can slot in without fuss and deliver whatever the situation. Only bona fide worldies will improve us now.
    Highlighted bit is a nice summary.

    Only way I see us possibly winning the league is if we make more signings cut from the same cloth as Alexis
    Vidal. By not at least attempting to sign him Wenger has demonstrated that nothing at all has changed - he still intends to do things 100% his way even though his way has been comprehensively shown to be ineffective in this league and in the CL.

    We COULD win a title under Wenger. If many, many things went our way and went against our opponents we could do a Liverpool and maybe push that extra yard to the finish line. Then again, at the crunch those fine margins would show up again. We'd have to fluke it, we wouldn't win with the power and authority of Wenger's early squads. Even if we did fluke it, it would be a one-off, we'd be 4th again the following season.

    Wenger is an historic figure at Arsenal and he'll rightly go down as a legend for many positive reasons. But in the last decade he's fallen way off the pace. Certainly he's still PL level but he can't raise his game to the very top when he needs to. We know it because we have seen it so many time, when the chips are down Wenger busts. We know this and the fact he's not pushing on this year to add the world class player or players that could compensate shows a disconnect in his own mind between his capabilities and the realities.

    He places way too much faith in players that don't reward that faith. In so many ways, Wenger's way is how football should be. But it isn't. It's the Arab way, the Russian Mafia way, the Blatter way. That's football. Not good for Wenger and ultimately not good for the global fan base but the modern game is just a reflection on the world in general. Look at the politicians. Look at the banks and big corporations. Look at all the fat bastards in the city while a third of the world goes hungry. Football is only as unpleasant and ugly as the rest of human endeavour. Wenger is an idealist. Plainly he hates the modern game. It's hard to condemn him for that but maybe he should get out of it rather than persist with his water pistol philosophy in the face of Uzi toting wankers.

    On the other hand, if everyone with a decent bone in their body fucks off what do we have left? In a lot of ways we should have pride in the way Wenger conducts his business. He's doing things for the right reasons - protecting young players, trying to build long term careers, focusing on the purer aspects of the game. None of that wins you the title these days. Fucking shame but that's how it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syn View Post
    We've got a chance. Mostly depends on players staying injury free and Ozil establishing himself as the best player in the league.
    He's already the best player in the league. Even the media has stopped shooting at his house and you know you have to be good to turn those fuckers around after you have signed for the wrong club. I suppose the Di Maria thing helped a bit. £20mill less than that useless fuck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    Vidal.
    This. Like a midfield Alexis Sanchez. Would probably punch Charlie Adam's ugly teeth back down his ugly throat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    Our net spend over the last 2 years, since the new financial deals have been in place, is about £110m.
    Only Utd have spent significantly more - City have spent about £10m more.

    (http://bitterandblue.sbnation.com/20...-5-and-7-years)

    Over a longer period we spent less but with the stadium debts and our poor sponsorship deals, we were somewhat constrained in the transfer market.

    As for the question, I'm not sure. For two thirds of last season we matched Chelsea stride for stride, we stood up in some of the big games so there's the potential there. What we've never managed to do under Wenger, since the Invincible days, is to keep going for a whole season. I think we've finally got the squad to do that, and the mentality to too. My concern is a slight weakness up front, we haven't got an Aguero or a Suarez. It is harder to win the league than it was when Wenger joined, since we last won it the only people who have are the billionaire cheats and ManYoo under Fergie (I have no idea how he did that in his last season, was was definitely the GOAT, IMO).
    We won't win the league this season right now, with a real top striker we might although they don't grow on trees.
    You don't think selling them the leagues best striker, RVP, had anything to do with it? We all said we've handed Man Utd the title as soon as it was suggested we were selling our captain to them.

    Fergie done well but let's not talk as if he pulled off a small miracle. Man Utd ran away with the league with little fight from the competition because City and Chelsea were in poor states despite the spending. It doesn't paint the full picture. Chelsea started the league with Di Matteo as manager and then switched to Rafa which almost caused an outright rebellion at Stamford Bridge. City were also going through their problems with Mancini on the war path with his players and growing complacency after winning the title.

    It's something I've tried to explain before, but sometimes in the league there are moments in the league you can capitalise on. Teams are going through their own internal battles and transitions and financial states just aren't that important. We had our chance in 2013/2014 when Utd appointed Moyes, Mourinho was just taking over Chelsea and Pellegrini City. If we'd have bought wisely we'd have won it and it's why Liverpool came so close to winning the league when nobody would have had them pegged as contenders. Building that momentum and stability is key.

    I have no idea what we'll do this season but our biggest rivals look stable and are building on that. We really need to do more if we want to win the league this year. It's going to be a tough one.

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    We COULD win a title under Wenger. If many, many things went our way and went against our opponents we could do a Liverpool and maybe push that extra yard to the finish line. Then again, at the crunch those fine margins would show up again. We'd have to fluke it, we wouldn't win with the power and authority of Wenger's early squads. Even if we did fluke it, it would be a one-off, we'd be 4th again the following season.


    Adds to how I feel. We'd need all the cards to fall into play for us to win the league under the current conditions. Our rivals to be at their weakest and to have some serious luck with injuries, ref decisions, the schedule and competition draws.

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    Yep I think that's not an unreasonable view at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann View Post
    This. Like a midfield Alexis Sanchez. Would probably punch Charlie Adam's ugly teeth back down his ugly throat.
    Sometimes I think Ramsey would get more credit if he was uglier and had a shit haircut. He's our Vidal, probably better in all honesty. And you can't have two of them or else the midfield loses all shape. Ramsey Ozil and Coquelin stay injury free, our midfield isn't the reason we don't win a title. Giroud's shit finishing is, if we're trying to pinpoint the problem. He needs Sanchez to become Suarez so his hard, creative work will be noticed and his shit finishing won't.

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