Can we win the Premier League again under Wenger ?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

That's your opinion, Uniteds team of 1997-1998 I think player for player was better than ours....they only needed to add Jaap Stam and Dwight Yorke to it, to win them the treble the next season.

Wenger brought the best out of a collection of young stars, using the same back four that had finished mid table at times under George Graham.

And if we were the best side in the period of 2000-2004 who was it that developed those players (many weren't established stars but were unknown or had failed to make it abroad).

I can appreciate your disdain of Wengers last ten years it is a catalogue of missed opportunity despite the financial restraints, but i think people who try to re draw the past to fit their narrative have to accept the accusation of zealotry.

[GP]

One could argue that we had a better squad of players than every other team because of his strengths as a manager.

Nah he got lucky because of his knowledge of the french market and the players he inherited despite the majority of them claiming that he elevated their performances and prolonging their careers.

He'll never win anything again (not including the two trophies in the last two seasons which I have chosen to disregard because fuck you)

[Power n Glory]

I don't believe I said it was a consensus of opinion nor have I stated any of the extreme Anti Wenger sentiments are the prevailing opinion.
I have confined myself to saying "some" posters, which indicates that it's more than one person rather than a majority
No there aren't loads of regular posters on here, but there are quite a few posters like myself who make flying visits. The last few days I have posted here regularly, but there are times where I won't come here for a few weeks.

I'm not quoting you directly. You don't have to say those exact words but I already said to Letter's it's just a few individuals but you followed up on that by saying

but I do think there's a strong element of the reactionary at times with posters (and I would even include myself in that).
And I hate to keep bringing it up but it's not a straw man argument, there are posters on here who have expressed that managers like Pulis would do a better job at Arsenal than Wenger.

Are you implying the reactionary posts on here go that far? Is it that strong? As said, I think it boils down to a few individuals. The views on here are quite varied imo.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I do believe that when the shit hits the fan even the more moderate of us make ill considered statements yes, that's less of a problem than people who make the same statements in the cold light of day (who I accept are far fewer).

[Dein-machine]

One could argue that we had a better squad of players than every other team because of his strengths as a manager.

Amazingly - I have to agree with you on this. His early squads & ofcourse the Invincibles "never say die" attitude have given me my greatest Arsenal memories ( apart from Alan Sunderland & Mickey Thomas ).
There also a case to suggest the Stadium move, whilst being key to the long term success of the club, also cost Wenger the chance to be Immortal amongst us fans in relation to on the pitch success.

One of my mates came out with something the over day which I did feel was quite relevant, especially me being in the " Wenger out" brigade - imagine if he felt he had achieved the "unsurpassable" after the Incincibles year & had been tempted to manage in Spain, went to Barcelona & managed the team during the recent Barca "worldy" times when Messi & the like were unplayable. Then retired a few years ago. There would be a case to suggest he was the greatest club manager of all time & I think I would be in agreement with that. - Funny old game!

[GP]

Lol nah the wrinkly old French cunt would have played Messi at left back and traded Iniesta for Kalou.

#WengerOut

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Could never have seen him joining Barca or Real Madrid where he wouldn't have control over what signings the club makes

[Kano]

No - although I'd love to be proved wrong as much as he'd love to shove it up the arse of everyone who doubts him.

Even with the necessary upgrades we require I don't think he can manage a group well enough anymore over a season. Plus the injury problem always seems to be there so we basically need double the squad to stand any chance. Man Utd aren't messing around, City are still better than ourselves as are Chelsea - 3rd at best next season.

[Power n Glory]

Lol nah the wrinkly old French cunt would have played Messi at left back and traded Iniesta for Kalou.

#WengerOut

Letter's sort your son out.

Every post he comes in at this level when a discussion gets going. Always on the WUM.

[Power n Glory]

That's your opinion, Uniteds team of 1997-1998 I think player for player was better than ours....they only needed to add Jaap Stam and Dwight Yorke to it, to win them the treble the next season.

Wenger brought the best out of a collection of young stars, using the same back four that had finished mid table at times under George Graham.

And if we were the best side in the period of 2000-2004 who was it that developed those players (many weren't established stars but were unknown or had failed to make it abroad).

I can appreciate your disdain of Wengers last ten years it is a catalogue of missed opportunity despite the financial restraints, but i think people who try to re draw the past to fit their narrative have to accept the accusation of zealotry.

Having a better team than Utd....that's debatable. But we had a better team than most of the Prem and that does boil down to Wenger's knowledge of the market and our scouts, the fitness regime he implemented which changed the league and our emphasis on finding technically gifted players in all areas. He introduced the attacking wingback to the Prem at that time and making our CB's pass the ball out instead of hoofing it long. He changed the game and he certainly was a better manager than most of his colleagues and we had the better squad. We crushed most teams in the league but in Europe we often struggled to find our league form.

The only time I felt uncomfortable about meeting a certain team were CL games or Man Utd. But overall, I felt like we had the best team and our only competition was Utd. We had major International players with World Cups and Euros to their name. Financially, I always felt we were punching above our weight but never technically. We had one of the best coaches and some real talented players. Is that revisionism? I kind of get what Global is saying with the superior argument. We really were the superior team but now the face of the league has changed. Smaller teams have a lot of money to burn, the bigger teams have unlimited funds along with the title winners and CL winning coaches over here. Joes, Ancelotti, Van Gaal, Mancini…. Ronald Koeman is managing Southampton! The standard is getting better. On the playing side we’ve seen more technically gifted players arrive with some of the world’s best coming here when before first picks were Spain or Italy.