13 PLs, 5 FA Cups, 4 League Cups, 2 Champions Leagues, 1 Cup Winners Cup.
I don't think I'm 'elevating' him...
13 PLs, 5 FA Cups, 4 League Cups, 2 Champions Leagues, 1 Cup Winners Cup.
I don't think I'm 'elevating' him...
We all know the trophy count. But how about counting their record transfers, the record spending and how much revenue they bring in each year. Try counting that also and include them with the super rich argument.Originally Posted by Letters
Nothing has changed in Wengers philosophy or his way of working. He still has no plan B in games. He still waits for the players to become available, rather than making things happen. He still plays players out of position. He is still 'forced into a correct decision' due to injuries, rather than own ability (Coquelin).
Again, I said this at the beginning of last season and the season before.. come Feb/March, we will be having the same shitty conversation of 'whether we made progress or not'. Frankly, I dont know why I even bother but I know I'll be here saying the same thing I said last year and the year before and the year before...
Please prove me wrong this season... PUHLEASEEEE!!
Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..
They did spend big at times, but it was money they earned through previous success and it was generally to consolidate their position. Fergie's initial success didn't come about through money and the way he sustained it even in the era of billionaires trying to buy up every trophy - it was very impressive.
I never felt Utd were buying success in the same way City and Chelsea have.
How they came about the money they earned is another story but if you're going to correlate title success with the amount a team spends, then you may need to underplay Fergie a little. For a long time they were the biggest club in England with spending power that dwarfed their rivals.
When Chelsea arrived they spent more money. In his last season he spent a lot of money on our captain as well. If we're going to put an empathisis on spending power at least remember Fergie was at the helm of one of the richest clubs in the world for a very long time.
I agree whilst it is not always the case that the team who spends most wins, it is majoratively the case...and not just in the last ten years either.
But I think what Wenger is saying is that Ferguson who did spend big on players, didn't do it all at once....he would make one or two big money signings to compliment his established team full of players he had developed and ones he had bought previously.
And Wenger is right in saying that Van Gaal in a short space of time is buying himself a whole new team, but I can understand why he's doing it. Van Gaal is not a man who will have years given to him to patiently develop a team, he is under pressure to deliver success and yes I believe Ferguson left his successors up shit creek with the squad he bequeathed them
If Van Gaal is succesful, presumably a younger man will take that and build on it with a mixture of signing and developing potential.
Whatever the failings of Wenger, anyone with their head screwed on will have to back him on quietening down this £200m in the bank story.
If Arsenal wanted to buy any player in the world they could. Not even taking this noise into consideration, we have the assets to secure the necessary capital whatever happens. So the point being made is an empty one. There is absolutely no verification to what The Lord of Peckham is saying here, he is just providing another media stick to beat Wenger with. And let's face it, that isn't really needed as we all have our own.
We may well have £200m in 'the bank' but at what stage and what else are those funds committed to? I can only imagine a handful of businesses having that sort of money sitting dormant in their transactional account. If his statement is true, everyone can access the annual accounts so his words are hardly revelatory if anyone cared to look.
And the question has to be asked, how did he come to be talking to The Daily Mail? Did he approach or was it gutter media sniffing for a story in a deathly quiet transfer window? This is DMG Media FFS, since when did they get the benefit of the doubt? How many people would normally take the word of our directors as read? And this 'working class hero' only wants to pipe up when it comes to counting the stacks of money taken from fans pockets so he can boast aloud to the press. Go stroke your repugnant ego off somewhere else you leeching Tory cunt.
Last edited by Kano; 25-07-2015 at 02:09 AM.
The Director chap said nothing we and the world didnt know already. Weve been bandying the 200m thing on these pages for more than a year. Again, which other manager in world football would be trying to put a director of his club back in his place?. None, none at all. the 200m is surplus money that we have been accruing over the last 10 years. It didnt just materialise last year weith the new TV deal. It isnt for salaries or paying the debt. Its money that could have been spent on players but wasnt. Wenger is the one who should STFU and start improving the team.
Interesting point about the manager to put a director back in his place, Globalgunner. But it's nothing we haven't seen before with PHW's infamous war chest stories. The fans would often get told Wenger would have funds to spend but when he didn't spend it, the backlash would go back on the Board and they'd often take a lot of flack for Wenger's inactivity. We may not have had unlimited funds but we had funds and I believe we'd go into a season looking thin and under strength because Wenger employs this risky deadline day strategy. Trying to pick up bargain deals on the basis that we're taking on cast away players that have to be moved on by their clubs. It's how we ended up with Welbeck and Ozil. I'm sure he'll have plenty of funny stories and anecdotes about these last dash scramble deals but I wish we weren't gambling like this at crucial moments and he has often referred to the window as a game like Chess or Poker.
It's not wise for Lord Harris to spew so much about our finances to the public but if the fans were still unaware of our new financial deals and kept in the dark about our spending power, I'm sure the Board would be taking a lot of heat right now for not spending. Gazidis used to get it often. We've seen it before. Forecast pages printed claiming we're broke. Theories about all our money being spent on Ozil and Sanchez with crazy mathematical sums suggesting both players have cost us £150bn and whatever else because of agency fees, lawyers fees, shoelace fees...At least we really know the club is in good shape with money to compete and if things fall apart for us this season the spotlight falls on one man. Ambiguous language about our finances can no longer be accepted.
This is the typical lily-livered get out of jail crutch that Wenger uses to mask his own ineptitude. Come the end of the season and we end up 3rd/4th again. When he is pressed on it he will say."Overall we are happy with our season. You have to remember that we tried very hard to recruit the players that will improve us, but their clubs would not release them. We spent only 20m while the teams above us spent 120m. I think you have to judge us by how we improved from last season. Our points tally was much better. I believe this team has huge potential. I am sure next season with 1 or 2 new additions, we will surprise everybody"
We are reportedly chasing Aubameyang now. He could have bought him 2013 when he joined Dortmund but instead opted for Sanogo. Basically hes afraid that if he spends as much as the other teams and still comes up short, then his position becomes untenable...and as we all know for Wenger its all about keeping his job, not about doing the best for the club.
For Wenger, his career has no end. Come 2016, Ozil, Sanchez, Kos and others will be asking themselves when they are ever going to win a title. We the fans will be lambasting them when they leave for serious clubs and we have to start all over again.
Last edited by Globalgunner; 25-07-2015 at 08:44 AM.
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