Invincibles vs Current Squad MNF Video

[Niall_Quinn]

I don’t even think it’s that. I can understand why Wenger wouldn’t want to pay £70m for a striker like Benzema or Cavani. It’s understandable but I think he can keep his principles and still be successful. The transfer market is a small part of the frustration with Wenger. It’s the last resort for finding a solution and I look forward to it simply because I know we’ll see a change in the team. For me, it’s the same tactics and seeing the same team selection that pisses me off. He’ll never be able to control the transfer market but he should have a better grasp of what he can get out of this team. The strengths and weaknesses. That’s what annoys me the most. Seeing game after game of failure and still blindly walking into pitfalls as if we’ve never walked this way before.

He thinks his players are up to it and he has a blind spot for how the PL works. He can't seem to accept that half the teams (or more) in the league have no intention of playing football when they step on the pitch. I don't think he gets that. You can see how frustrated he is on the sidelines when the opposition pulls out all the cynical stops to shut down the game.

[Power n Glory]

He thinks his players are up to it and he has a blind spot for how the PL works. He can't seem to accept that half the teams (or more) in the league have no intention of playing football when they step on the pitch. I don't think he gets that. You can see how frustrated he is on the sidelines when the opposition pulls out all the cynical stops to shut down the game.

That was true 7 or 6 years ago maybe but we’ve had games where we’ve been played off the park by Swansea and just tactically out thought like against West Ham. We’re our own worst enemy with this ball to feet, playing in front of the opposition, tippy tap passing for percentages crap.

[Kano]

I like Wenger as a human being and I agree with mostly everything he says. Not being silly here, his views on football and how it should be played and how the game should be governed with a level playing field in mind are principles I can get behind no trouble at all. He's right in all of this.

He also shows ridiculous loyalty to his players, treats them like family members. It's hard to criticise a boss who gives a fuck about his employees, because so few do.

Unfortunately he's an anachronism pitched into one of the deepest cesspits known to mankind - the world of modern football. Whether we like it or not, that's where we are, that's what we are dealing with. It's a shady world of human rights abusers, Mafioso and assorted criminals and individuals of ill repute. Look at FIFA, look at UEFA, look at our own FA. Look at the pack of hacks that surround the game, the agents, Neymar's mother, Anleka's brother. All these people stink. And they are running things. And ruining them. No wonder Wenger is pissed. Yes he loves the game and he finds money crude and vulgar and in this I agree with him too.

But he wants a job in football management and here's where the problems starts. It's not his place to use Arsenal as a vehicle for his crusade. When all is said and done the fans don't give a shit about anything except winning and they'll see that happen at any cost. We know this because of the ludicrous ticket prices, the obnoxious marketing practices (such as 3 new kits every year), the blind eye that gets turned when and Abramovich or a Usmanov buys up a big chunk of the game. Wenger is a lone voice in the wilderness and nobody really wants to see his vision of the game materialise, or maybe some do but nobody is prepared to do what it takes to make that happen. We're all just rolling on with the foul and corrupted version of the game, it's the next result that's paramount, the most extreme form of short-termism imaginable. And so Wenger is incompatible with the game in its current state. Of course in the ideal world he's dead right not to spend £70mill on Benzema, a journeyman by comparison to the great strikers of the past. But he's also dead wrong because we're about as far as we can get from an ideal world.

We want to compete for the title even if it means involving ourselves in a sport that allows the likes of Abramovich or those horrendous Arab cocksuckers to hold court. We can ignore that but we can't ignore Wenger's admirable but out of touch beliefs. Because it's the next win that's important no matter how it is achieved. Like politics, the people get what they deserve.

Wenger has to go and we need a horrible, superficial, immoral, idealistically retarded fuck to replace him. Then we'll win.

I get frustrated with him because if he were to just compromise a little bit, on just a few things, he could well get the better of the hateful Mourinho types. Then again, I'm asking him to get a little bit pregnant, aren't I? Something I suppose he sees as the one inch that leads to a mile of ruin.

Absolutely right. His principles are spot on and you'd have to be a sick fuck not to agree with how he believes the game should be run. But as you say, that world doesn't exist and never can as long as we continue down this road.

So then it comes down to the basics of adapting to the current market or dying out. And this is the part where peoples frustrations boil over and call him deluded because he believes he can be successful without that adaptation. He no longer has that extra insight to spot players before other clubs because every time an 'unknown' player does something worthwhile its spreads like wildfire. All those extra percentages he used to manipulate to gain success on a lesser spend are no longer advantages. There are no real game changers to be purchased on a minimum, especially if you are Premiership club saddled down with disproportionate amounts of revenue and TV money, waiting to be ripped off by those selling their players. You pay for the quality you get - mostly.

£20m, £40m, £70m - I mean what is the realistic, sensible figure to pay for a footballer player? Anything in the millions is fucking ridiculous, so why be hesitant when it starts reaching nine figures? Why does it become even more unrealistic at that point when we have long since passed the line of absurdity? People might say that is fine for a club like City but not ourselves given we have tighter finances or only £200m in the bank etc etc. But what the hell do we really know about how these deals are structured, what is set aside for spending on transfers, wages, bonuses and all the other details that make these deals far more financially complex than just the top line figures we all play fantasy football with via bullshit media stories? While we are living in this disgustingly rich football age, what difference does it make to the fans online who never attend games how much we spend? If anything the argument from paying fans should be they want more of their money to be spent improving the team, not playing Fantasy Accountancy.

Personally I could have swallowed another Giroud style signing rather than no one. He is a good striker, not great but good. 15-20 goals a season. People use the lowest common denominator - aka Wellbeck - to justify Wenger's lack of activity. Of course we don't want another one of those because he is shit. We don't have two strikers like Giroud, only one. That is Giroud. Doubling up on that would have improved us. Enough to win the title? Of course not but where and when you can improve, you try to do so. You don't sit still and do nothing. Same principle applies for central midfield too. You sit around waiting and waiting for your key targets to arrive then what do you do when they are poached by someone else? You don't stick in someone like Walcott to double up on the ineffectiveness of being a striker, just like Wellbeck. Now we have one striker for the entire season. But of course, we couldn't possibly have improved on the guaranteed top, top quality we have in our current strike force, because only Messi's or Wellbeck's are available on the market.

[mastermind84]

Did Wenger actually say why he was loaned out?

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...-10272207.html

Wenger’s explanation for the transformation is: “He lost his way a bit and wanted to be more of a playmaker, more box-to-box and a more creative player, then he came back to what his real identity is.

I think Coquelin's footballing ability is very underrated, especially by gooners. His short passing is good and he has that pass to spread the play to either wing in his locker. He doesn't need to be Xavi cause he's got 3 or 4 playmakers on his team who should be doing that role.

every footballer in the premiership can play cross field balls and make short passes.

IN Coquelin's position, his true value will be spotting a move quickly getting the ball to those places. Coquelin has never shown that ability.

It's not that he needs to fine one - what he needs to do is act when the player is jumping up and down under his nose.

which player is that?

Vidal then get Reus, and we would have been set to go, but hey top quality players are not available and there is no one we could have got to improve our squad ....utter tosh

Vidal is allegedly an alcoholic.

[Power n Glory]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...-10272207.html



every footballer in the premiership can play cross field balls and make short passes.

IN Coquelin's position, his true value will be spotting a move quickly getting the ball to those places. Coquelin has never shown that ability.

So Wenger never actually said Coquelin was loaned out because he was holding on to the ball for too long.

[Penguin]

every footballer in the premiership can play cross field balls and make short passes.

IN Coquelin's position, his true value will be spotting a move quickly getting the ball to those places. Coquelin has never shown that ability.

This is the premier league. Half of them only know one type of pass - a hoof up to a target man

That's a bit of an over simplification. Every player can play short passes but that doesn't mean they're at the same level. I'm sure Shawcross can play 5 yard sideways passes under no pressure but that doesn't make him as good as Cazorla at it. Coquelin's passing is actually pretty good, and you'd probably see it more if he was at a midtable team where more of the play would go through him.
https://youtu.be/oVGYgESUFMM

He usually moves the ball on quickly to one of our playmakers, which is what a DM should be doing. It's up to the playmakers to get a move started off.

[Power n Glory]

This is the premier league. Half of them only know one type of pass - a hoof up to a target man

That's a bit of an over simplification. Every player can play short passes but that doesn't mean they're at the same level. I'm sure Shawcross can play 5 yard sideways passes under no pressure but that doesn't make him as good as Cazorla at it. Coquelin's passing is actually pretty good, and you'd probably see it more if he was at a midtable team where more of the play would go through him.
https://youtu.be/oVGYgESUFMM

He usually moves the ball on quickly to one of our playmakers, which is what a DM should be doing. It's up to the playmakers to get a move started off.

Still a few folks writing off Coquelin. It's a strange one. Before his regular place in the first team I remember a few folks saying he was crap without being able to recall a game he's played.

[mastermind84]

So Wenger never actually said Coquelin was loaned out because he was holding on to the ball for too long.

He pretty much said that in that quote but if you like to keep your head in the sand, then go for it.

This is the premier league. Half of them only know one type of pass - a hoof up to a target man

That's a bit of an over simplification. Every player can play short passes but that doesn't mean they're at the same level. I'm sure Shawcross can play 5 yard sideways passes under no pressure but that doesn't make him as good as Cazorla at it. Coquelin's passing is actually pretty good, and you'd probably see it more if he was at a midtable team where more of the play would go through him.
https://youtu.be/oVGYgESUFMM

He usually moves the ball on quickly to one of our playmakers, which is what a DM should be doing. It's up to the playmakers to get a move started off.

What makes Cazorla different from Coquelin and Shawcross is that he can make that pass quickly while seeing an attacking move develop.

[Power n Glory]

He pretty much said that in that quote but if you like to keep your head in the sand, then go for it.

What makes Cazorla different from Coquelin and Shawcross is that he can make that pass quickly while seeing an attacking move develop.

Pretty much doesn’t make it so That’s your interpretation. Why would it take a loan period out for him to learn that? That makes no sense. I remember he was unhappy about not being played and he was considering his options so he was loaned out like the rest of the young players that want game time. You conveniently leave that part out of the story.

Coquelin saw himself as a bit more than just a DM and more playmaker but he was never going to get game time ahead of the current players we have. If the player and Wenger don’t see eye to eye on positioning, he’ll keep them on the bench until a spot opens up for them. You can go back to Flamini when Wenger was using him as LB but Flam wanted to play as DM. Wenger told him he’d have to earn his spot and Flamini did just that. With Song it was similar. Wenger at first wanted him to play CB but Song wanted to play DM. Wenger said something about Song not having the endurance and stamina to play there so Song had to prove him wrong and earn his spot there. Theo looks like he’s in a similar situation now with his protests to play as a striker. With Coquelin looking unhappy on the bench, Wenger shipped him out. That’s the reason he went.

Also, did you watch the Coquelin video? Just a few seconds and you’ll see how wrong you are. Were you one of the few that said he wasn’t good enough to play for us at the start of last season?

[Heisenberg]

Coquelin does have pretty good passing. He made an excellent cross field ball to Walcott in the cup final in the lead up to the opening goal.

Didn't he also have a run at right back though? I seem to recall him playing there a few times.