Match Reaction vs Man Utd (home).

[Dein-machine]

No - people react on here because we've had a decade of "last weeks". You & I were debating on another thread where I told you whilst I enjoyed the game against Leicester & the way we attacked I wasn't over excited because we have become used to what happens next. Then 3 days later we have the shambles of a performance against the Greeks. Its not just one game, its regularly occurring every year.
Reasons for this weeks rollercoaster of a ride.
1, If we had started all 3 games on the front foot & hungry, aggressive - moving the ball quickly & taking our chances then we would have beaten the Greeks by a few goals aswell.
2, If we had started with Cech in goal for all 3 games there is a very good chance that we wouldn't have given the Greeks the belief they had with a half time lead.
3, If we had players playing with consistency rather than 1 game on 1 game off then we also would be winning all 3 games. In the same way that Bayern won all their 3 games in the same week by convincing margins, consistency with quality players in all positions (none costing more than Ozil cost us).

The key words are quality & consistency. Consistency breads quality but you need the quality in the 1st place to become consistent. We have two many players who's quality will never lead to consistency & we don't deal with these weak links in the transfer window.

[IBK]

No - people react on here because we've had a decade of "last weeks". You & I were debating on another thread where I told you whilst I enjoyed the game against Leicester & the way we attacked I wasn't over excited because we have become used to what happens next. Then 3 days later we have the shambles of a performance against the Greeks. Its not just one game, its regularly occurring every year.
Reasons for this weeks rollercoaster of a ride.
1, If we had started all 3 games on the front foot & hungry, aggressive - moving the ball quickly & taking our chances then we would have beaten the Greeks by a few goals aswell.
2, If we had started with Cech in goal for all 3 games there is a very good chance that we wouldn't have given the Greeks the belief they had with a half time lead.
3, If we had players playing with consistency rather than 1 game on 1 game off then we also would be winning all 3 games. In the same way that Bayern won all their 3 games in the same week by convincing margins, consistency with quality players in all positions (none costing more than Ozil cost us).

The key words are quality & consistency. Consistency breads quality but you need the quality in the 1st place to become consistent. We have two many players who's quality will never lead to consistency & we don't deal with these weak links in the transfer window.

Not sure why you are disagreeing with my post, given that you agree with my 2 main points

As for your specific observations - we have started quickly in a number of games - including Olympiacos. The difference being that we haven't finished our chances in that opening period - whereas against Manure we converted almost every one. Both Cech, and the players' attitude and commitment in defence are crucial, though - and this attitude and commitment are what we need to see on a consistent basis. The irony is that it should be much easier to ensure that your players are 100% up for each game than it is to ensure that they are on song technically.

[Dein-machine]

Not sure why you are disagreeing with my post, given that you agree with my 2 main points

As for your specific observations - we have started quickly in a number of games - including Olympiacos. The difference being that we haven't finished our chances in that opening period - whereas against Manure we converted almost every one. Both Cech, and the players' attitude and commitment in defence are crucial, though - and this attitude and commitment are what we need to see on a consistent basis. The irony is that it should be much easier to ensure that your players are 100% up for each game than it is to ensure that they are on song technically.

No sorry IBk, was responding to Letters but didn't do "reply with quote"!!

Agree with what you say but the reason we aren't finishing the hundreds of chances we create is consistency. We don't have a quality, consistent striker & we haven't had one since RVP. But we continue without, every year & will probably do the same in Jan window aswell as next Summer because our manager continues to argue the obvious. This will mean performamces like West Ham & Olympiakos, plenty of possession & chances but losing games, & the monotonous cycle continues.

[IBK]

No sorry IBk, was responding to Letters but didn't do "reply with quote"!!

Agree with what you say but the reason we aren't finishing the hundreds of chances we create is consistency. We don't have a quality, consistent striker & we haven't had one since RVP. But we continue without, every year & will probably do the same in Jan window aswell as next Summer because our manager continues to argue the obvious. This will mean performamces like West Ham & Olympiakos, plenty of possession & chances but losing games, & the monotonous cycle continues.

Fair enough mate. If I had to call it, I would agree 100% that what we have seen for so many years is not going to change fundamentally now. We've been led to believe too many times that things will change. Be nice if we could put a dozen similar performances together - but we have seen even this over the past few seasons only to fail over the whole season!

[Letters]

No - people react on here because we've had a decade of "last weeks".

I think that's a bit of a simplification. And in the last 2 seasons we've won a trophy in each. People react because people get emotional about football and that seems to make them irrational. We lost at West Ham and it was all "woe is me, we have no chance." I was roundly criticised for saying that maybe, just maybe, it's a little early to be throwing in the towel after one game.

You & I were debating on another thread where I told you whilst I enjoyed the game against Leicester & the way we attacked I wasn't over excited because we have become used to what happens next. Then 3 days later we have the shambles of a performance against the Greeks. Its not just one game, its regularly occurring every year.

It is, but it's happening to every team every year. Maybe to us more than most but no team is completely consistent. City sweep all before them and then lost to West Ham and then get hammered at WHL of all places.

The key words are quality & consistency. Consistency breads quality but you need the quality in the 1st place to become consistent. We have two many players who's quality will never lead to consistency & we don't deal with these weak links in the transfer window.

I disagree about the quality of our players, I think we're good enough to challenge properly.
I agree to an extent about not dealing with the weaker links - notably up front. My take on the summer's dealings, or lack thereof, is that Wenger didn't see the point in signing another Wellbeck, either sign someone who will push us - another like Sanchez or Ozil - or don't bother. If that is what happened then I agree with that, but the problem is he failed to land the big signing (it seems like he was chasing Benzema). If the result of that is we fail to challenge then he should be sacked. If Sanchez keeps his shooting boots on and Walcott stays fix then we might just have enough up front after all.

As I keep saying, Wenger should be ultimately judged next May. He shouldn't be judged after a poor result vs West Ham or a good one vs Utd. Obviously each game will change and shape options and the frustrations of the last 10 years will colour those opinions. So long as we stay in touch I'll feel we have a chance. We have a good run in - City away is our penultimate game, interestingly - and if we're in touch with 10 games to go I wouldn't write us off.

The key for now is to build on that Utd game and get a bit of momentum going.

[IBK]

I think that's a bit of a simplification. And in the last 2 seasons we've won a trophy in each. People react because people get emotional about football and that seems to make them irrational. We lost at West Ham and it was all "woe is me, we have no chance." I was roundly criticised for saying that maybe, just maybe, it's a little early to be throwing in the towel after one game.



It is, but it's happening to every team every year. Maybe to us more than most but no team is completely consistent. City sweep all before them and then lost to West Ham and then get hammered at WHL of all places.



I disagree about the quality of our players, I think we're good enough to challenge properly.
I agree to an extent about not dealing with the weaker links - notably up front. My take on the summer's dealings, or lack thereof, is that Wenger didn't see the point in signing another Wellbeck, either sign someone who will push us - another like Sanchez or Ozil - or don't bother. If that is what happened then I agree with that, but the problem is he failed to land the big signing (it seems like he was chasing Benzema). If the result of that is we fail to challenge then he should be sacked. If Sanchez keeps his shooting boots on and Walcott stays fix then we might just have enough up front after all.

As I keep saying, Wenger should be ultimately judged next May. He shouldn't be judged after a poor result vs West Ham or a good one vs Utd. Obviously each game will change and shape options and the frustrations of the last 10 years will colour those opinions. So long as we stay in touch I'll feel we have a chance. We have a good run in - City away is our penultimate game, interestingly - and if we're in touch with 10 games to go I wouldn't write us off.

The key for now is to build on that Utd game and get a bit of momentum going.

Letters. IMHO you are allowing your own mantra to colour your interpretation of what goes on here. People aren't 'throwing in the towel' after one game. All the debate is about really is whether people have faith in our team and its manager. You are entitled to take the view that you will wait and see what pans out over the season. Others are equally, and rationally, justified in seeing a disappointing defeat in which endlessly before repeated errors show themselves once again as evidence that they can already predict what is to happen.

You are, really, no more 'rational' than those who frustrate you.

As for emotion? Well my view is that by knocking this you are denying an essential - perhaps the essential - part of being a football fan. Plenty of posters on here analyse the failings (or successes) of the team. This analysis should not be dismissed because they are angry or frustrated at what they have seen, any more than yours should be because you are less passionate in your views.